Garbage floats off Greek island as landfill collapses

Just a taste of the overpopulated future where the landfills will be the monuments. We ARE drowning in our own waste already, you people who think we aren't overpopulated and even think there is room for more are completely clueless. If we create more waste than we can get rid of THE AMOUNT OF WASTE GROWS, this seems to be a principle that people can't understand.

In order to viably sustain a population it needs inexhaustable clean supplies of water and food, it needs to recycle every single bit of non-biodegradable material, and every ounce of waste needs to be dealt with, not buried. We are doing NONE of those things. I reiterate, this planet can not support a high tech free civilization of more than 1 or 2 billion.

More evidence that demonstrates how socialism destroys the environment.
Greece is quite socialist and is/has collapsed economically.

The entire population of earth could fit inside a city, with NYC population density, the size of Madagascar. (0.004% of Earth's land surface area)

Plastics and manufacturing pollution are the only serious waste we produce. Do you really think we'll be using the same processes and materials in 50 years?

Greece's chronic waste management woes.

Who believes the Greek govt is failing its responsibility?
Why does no one here care to blame the responsible authorities?

More evidence that demonstrates how socialism destroys the environment.
Greece is quite socialist and is/has collapsed economically.

You don't seem to know which Greek party was ruling until October 2009.

More evidence that demonstrates how socialism destroys the environment.
Greece is quite socialist and is/has collapsed economically.

You don't seem to know which Greek party was ruling until October 2009.

The Greek welfare state started in 2009 leading to its collapse one year later?

More evidence that demonstrates how socialism destroys the environment.
Greece is quite socialist and is/has collapsed economically.

You don't seem to know which Greek party was ruling until October 2009.

The Greek welfare state started in 2009 leading to its collapse one year later?

Where did you get this nonsense from?
Why wrote the Washington Post as early as on Feb 26, 2010 an article titled "Probe: Did big U.S. banks contribute to the financial crisis in Greece?"? Excerpt:

Goldman served as investment banker for Greece as the country borrowed billions by entering complex financial contracts known as cross-currency swaps. The contracts allowed Greece to limit the amount of debt it seemed to be taking on to fund its national budget.

"He now faces the tasks of dismantling the sprawling Greek welfare system that his father, Andreas, helped erect when he was prime minister in the 1980s."

A welfare state takes years to build and months to destroy and it was the fate of this government (a Socialist one, lest we forget) to do the dismantling. Unfortunately, we are not at all sure whether it has understood just how much it is rocking society."
http:/archive.ekathimerini.com/4Dcgi/4dcgi/_w_articles_columns_1_19/06/2010_117799

More evidence that demonstrates how socialism destroys the environment.
Greece is quite socialist and is/has collapsed economically.

Destroying the planet has nothing to do with socialism, the same occurs in a free market. It seems you are arguing that the free market would produce less waste? This is because desire for profit somehow takes environmentalism into account?

That's pretty insane. It's like saying it's the sky's fault for letting the sun rise again today. Or something equally ridiculous.

The free market works. It doesn't work. Socialism works. It doesn't work.

What a waste of trivial opinion.

"He now faces the tasks of dismantling the sprawling Greek welfare system that his father, Andreas, helped erect when he was prime minister in the 1980s."

You didn't notice that this is a quote from the New York Times. No way does this support your propaganda claiming that the Greek economy has collapsed due to socialism.

A welfare state takes years to build and months to destroy and it was the fate of this government (a Socialist one, lest we forget) to do the dismantling. Unfortunately, we are not at all sure whether it has understood just how much it is rocking society.

Neither does this support your claim.

But again you evaded to comment on the rightwing Greek Nea Demokratia which ruled Greece until October 2009. And you evaded to comment on the entanglement of US bank Goldman doing shady deals with the Greek ND government.

This is a good one! Washed garbage. Whose genius was it to have a garbage dump right next to the beach? As one of the craddle of civilization the Greeks should drown their head in the mess in shame.

the landfill has operated for the past 40 years without a licence.

Who owned the land under the garbage?

the landfill has operated for the past 40 years without a licence.

Who owned the land under the garbage?

What do you mean by "under"?

the landfill has operated for the past 40 years without a licence.

Who owned the land under the garbage?

What do you mean by "under"?

Who owns the land upon which garbage was tossed for 40 years?
Why was garbage allowed to accumulate at this location for 40 years? Who allowed it?

the landfill has operated for the past 40 years without a licence.

Who owned the land under the garbage?

What do you mean by "under"?

Who owns the land upon which garbage was tossed for 40 years?

I don't know and I don't care.

Why was garbage allowed to accumulate at this location for 40 years? Who allowed it?

Nobody allowed, nobody prohibited. Greeks like to be free.

Greek mindset: Everything allowed except when prohibited.
German mindset: Everything forbidden except when allowed.

I don't know and I don't care.

That must mean it was the govt. As stated earlier, socialism has a poor environmental record.

Greek mindset: Everything allowed except when prohibited.
German mindset: Everything forbidden except when allowed.

I have to say, I much prefer your suggested "German mindset". The "greek mindset" you suggest is the current American mindset towards economics, and that mindset may literally kill all of us (might take another 30 odd years though).

I don't know and I don't care.

That must mean it was the govt.

Well, I made up my mind: Now I know and I care a lot.
That must mean it was not the government.

As stated earlier, socialism has a poor environmental record.

As stated many years earlier, capitalism's environmental record is the poorest of all.

Greek mindset: Everything allowed except when prohibited.
German mindset: Everything forbidden except when allowed.

I have to say, I much prefer your suggested "German mindset". The "greek mindset" you suggest is the current American mindset towards economics, and that mindset may literally kill all of us (might take another 30 odd years though).

I don't know the US mindset towards economy. But I learned:

Between 1979 and 2008, the top 5% of American families saw their real incomes increase 73%, according to Census data. Over the same period, the lowest-income fifth (20% of us) saw a decrease in real income of 4.1%.

This development reminds one of the times before the Russian revolution.
And I don't believe the inevitable revolution will kill all of us. Depending, of course, how we define "us".

I don't know and I don't care.

That must mean it was the govt.

Well, I made up my mind: Now I know and I care a lot.
That must mean it was not the government.

As stated earlier, socialism has a poor environmental record.

As stated many years earlier, capitalism's environmental record is the poorest of all.

This is supposed to be a science site. Why can't you socialists provide data to support your fantasies?

I don't know and I don't care.

That must mean it was the govt.

Well, I made up my mind: Now I know and I care a lot.
That must mean it was not the government.

As stated earlier, socialism has a poor environmental record.

As stated many years earlier, capitalism's environmental record is the poorest of all.

This is supposed to be a science site. Why can't you socialists provide data to support your fantasies?

Who said anybody was promoting socialism? We were just exploring the many failures of capitalism, and the inevitable catastrophes it's going to cause.

I don't know and I don't care.

That must mean it was the govt.

Well, I made up my mind: Now I know and I care a lot.
That must mean it was not the government.

As stated earlier, socialism has a poor environmental record.

As stated many years earlier, capitalism's environmental record is the poorest of all.

This is supposed to be a science site. Why can't you socialists provide data to support your fantasies?

Who said anybody was promoting socialism? We were just exploring the many failures of capitalism, and the inevitable catastrophes it's going to cause.

Where is your data? Greece has been quite socialist for the 40 years the dump has been in existence. And then, of course, there are are the environmental problems in the former Eastern Block and heavy metal rice in China.

"Under communal property ownership, where no one owns or is responsible for a natural resource, the inclination is for each individual to abuse or deplete the resource before someone else does. Common examples of this "tragedy" are how people litter public streets and parks much more than their own yards"
http:/www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/why-socialism-causes-pollution/
Based upon what people have said about the Greeks, there must not be much private property.

Greece has been quite socialist for the 40 years the dump has been in existence.

40 years ago we had the year 1971. Greece was ruled by a military junta from 1967 to 1974.

Based upon what people have said about the Greeks, there must not be much private property.

Hearsay instead of data? One comment earlier you wrote:

Where is your data?

Here's more data:
truth-out.org/
nine-pictures-of-the-extreme-incomewealth-gap67743

Greece was ruled by a military junta from 1967 to 1974.

Socialism, govt control of property. The military junta controlled the property, ergo, socialist.
The origin of the govt power is immaterial, if the govt usurps, and does not protect individual property rights, it is a socialist govt.

Greece was ruled by a military junta from 1967 to 1974.

Socialism, govt control of property. The military junta controlled the property, ergo, socialist.

There was a man consulting his therapist because of his obsessions.
The therapist scribbled some lines on a sheet of paper and asked, "What are you seeing on the paper?". "Nude girls", said the guy.
The therapist took another sheet of paper, scribbled some circles and again asked, "What are you seeing now?". "Nude girls", said the guy.
The therapist then scribbled some triangles on another sheet of papper and asked again the same question. "Nude girls" , answered the guy.
"Isn't that a bit strange?", commented the therapist.

But the guy bitched, "Me strange? Who is drawing indecent pictures all the time?"

Property rights are what distinguishes a govt of liberty or tyranny.
Whether you obtain socialism via 100% volunteerism like a monastery or if it is 100% by force, the result is the same, individuals have no property rights.
Maybe it assuages a 'liberal' guilt by believing socialism is acceptable if +50% agree to limit everyone's property rights, but it is still using force to control people's right to property.

Property rights are what distinguishes a govt of liberty or tyranny.
Whether you obtain socialism via 100% volunteerism like a monastery or if it is 100% by force, the result is the same, individuals have no property rights.
Maybe it assuages a 'liberal' guilt by believing socialism is acceptable if +50% agree to limit everyone's property rights, but it is still using force to control people's right to property.

Through the years we have been paying more and more for less and less. This is caused by more and more people chasing fewer and fewer resources.

I predict that eventually we will be paying everything for absolutely nothing at all. Sure, this will be a pure socialist state. But in spite of it marjon, everybody will be extremely happy, because they will no longer be needing things to compensate for their defects and resultant misery. Everybody will be created equally defect-free and fixed as they go along hallejulia.

Property rights are what distinguishes a govt of liberty or tyranny.

Saudi Arabia has property rights. Would you say that makes them a liberty based governance?

You believe in these ideologies that are absolutely indefensible. If you did anything more than read mises.org and ronpaul2012.com you might be able to mount a proper argument. Start thinking for yourself.

Socialism, govt control of property. The military junta controlled the property, ergo, socialist.

And learn the language. Military control is far from Socialist.

Under communal property ownership, where no one owns or is responsible for a natural resource, the inclination is for each individual to abuse or deplete the resource before someone else does.

When is the last time Green Bay cancelled a game due to snow on the field?

Saudi Arabia has property rights. Would you say that makes them a liberty based governance?

There is more liberty in Saudia Arabia than many places.

Socialism is tyranny. Why does it matter who the leaders are?

What does Green Bay and snow have to do with anything?

There is more liberty in Saudia Arabia than many places.

What a ridiculous statement.

Socialism is tyranny. Why does it matter who the leaders are?

You're going to have to prove your assertion here. Socialism does not == tyranny.

What does Green Bay and snow have to do with anything?

Well, the Green Bay packers are owned by every citizen of Green Bay. When you state that socialism leads to a lack of responsibility, you're wrong. When there's snow on the field, the local news puts out a call for volunteers to shovel the field clear. Everytime, almost the entire town shows up to clear the field with snow blowers and shovels. That is socialism in its purest form. It has led to greater enjoyment of the sport for the residents, and has prevented a shutdown due to inclement weather 100% of the time.

All of your assertions are false.

"Green Bay fans themselves vote on and serve as part of the board of directors, which appoints the pivotal managerial and coaching staff of the Packers. Unlike most other teams across the nation, when Packers fans are frustrated, they don't have to suck it up. They have the ability to enact change through shareholder votes and air their grievances directly with Packer management."
"Another remarkable thing about the Packers is that the team is a nonprofit enterprise. "
http:/www.thehoya.com/sports/unique-ownership-model-works-for-green-bay-packers-1.1922876
Ownership of the team and the stadium is well defined and protected by law.
Socialist monks have business that generate income to pay their way. The ownership of such businesses are well defined and established.
How many of the owners of public park restrooms rush out everyday to keep them cleaned and maintained?
US taxpayers own millions of acres of land yet they are quite poorly managed.

Never lived in Saudi Arabia?

Of course socialism must lead to tyranny. Whether it is a mob of +50% taking the property of the remaining 49% or a dictator like Mugabe or Chavez stealing property, its all accomplished with the force of the state.
The ONLY way socialism can exist is in an environment in which all its members have the choice to participate. Monasteries are one example as are many farming communes in the US.
IF just one individual of the socialist order does not want to play anymore and cannot leave, he must be forced to play, tyranny.
This is why unions are so afraid of right to work laws. Unions depend upon the govt to force people to join and pay for unions.

I would classify the ownership model of the Green Bay Packers as a cooperative.
I support cooperatives being a member of two credit unions.
When we milked cows, the local cooperative to process the milk was purchased by Land O Lakes. They didn't provide a good a price so we sold our milk to Frigo. And of course this was all under a subsidized milk market.
A few years ago, a cooperative was created to process soybeans. It's been doing quite well.
I don't consider cooperatives as socialism as they compete in the market place and ownership/membership is voluntary.

The people of Green Bay 'own' the streets, public parks, etc. Do the owners fill the potholes, mow the grass in the park and clean public toilets?

I would classify the ownership model of the Green Bay Packers as a cooperative.
I support cooperatives being a member of two credit unions.

So you support communism?!?!? Your free market allies must hear of this, there's a commie in their ranks!

The people of Green Bay 'own' the streets, public parks, etc. Do the owners fill the potholes, mow the grass in the park and clean public toilets?

No, they collectively pay taxes and contract companies to do the work for them, creating a stable and robust economy. Socialism is not the end of economics. Only the cowardly and ignorant attempt to promote your stance.

Never lived in Saudi Arabia?

Actually I have been to SA. As long as you have a penis and obey the royal family of tyrants, it's a very nice place to live. Of course, that isn't liberty, it's tyranny. Tyranny of gender, tyranny of capital, and oligarchic dictatorship.

I guess that's what you call liberty. Disgusting.

The entire population of earth could fit inside a city, with NYC population density, the size of Madagascar. (0.004% of Earth's land surface area)

Plastics and manufacturing pollution are the only serious waste we produce. Do you really think we'll be using the same processes and materials in 50 years?

Correct.

Hundreds or even thousands of years ago, it would have been un-heard of to throw away perfectly good clay pottery. In the ancient world, when someone made a pot or tool they continued using it for all their life, even generations, until it either broke or became obsolete.

Today, we make a space-age glass or plastic bottle, which theoretically can be used for decades or even centuries, and then we throw it away after one use, sometimes on the very same day.

The problem really is not the number of people. The problem is "waste". Not trash.

"Waste," as in wasted resources. We are FOOLS who possess technology others would have considered magic...

As stated, our entire civilization is based on highly educated fools.

WE drink water from a plastic bottle that could be used for 100 years, and we throw it away after one use.

This is not a good "economy" no matter what "economist" fool may say otherwise. This is waste, and for a half century we (well, our parents and grandparents, because I'm not 50,) have REWARDED fools for emplimenting these insane practises and infrastructures, and called it "economics".

Actually I have been to SA.

But you have never lived there.

If anyone wants to choose to live in a commune and be a socialist, be my guest.
Just don't use the power of the state to force anyone to join your little commune like unions are trying to do in WI and around the country.
Socialists that must force the compliance of the collective have failed. But that is always the end result, failure and force or the commune disbands.

As stated, our entire civilization is based on highly educated fools.

WE drink water from a plastic bottle that could be used for 100 years, and we throw it away after one use.

This is not a good "economy" no matter what "economist" fool may say otherwise. This is waste, and for a half century we (well, our parents and grandparents, because I'm not 50,) have REWARDED fools for emplimenting these insane practises and infrastructures, and called it "economics".

What is the cost of a plastic bottle?
Stop buying bottled water.
Start buying plastic bottles and recycle them.
The USSR used to have a communal glass at their public water machines. A great way to share disease.

Actually I have been to SA.

But you have never lived there.

Neither have you. You were a contractor there for six months, living on a military base. Your admission.

If anyone wants to choose to live in a commune and be a socialist, be my guest.

Looks like you prefer it, but only when it's beneficial to you directly and gives YOU an edge.

Just don't use the power of the state to force anyone to join your little commune like unions are trying to do in WI and around the country.

You're not going to want to talk about the Unions in WI and OH. It will be a very bad discussion for you.

But that is always the end result, failure and force or the commune disbands.

Really? All the benefits you enjoy, an 8 hour work day, health insurance availability, pension and retirement availability, minimum wage, safe work[places, vacations and holidays have all been the result of Unions.

Maybe one day you'll be a real boy.

I lived in Jeddah for three years.

All the benefits you enjoy, an 8 hour work day, health insurance availability, pension and retirement availability, minimum wage, safe work[places, vacations and holidays have all been the result of Unions.

No, they are the result of competitive market forces or govt rules.
If true, unions are no longer needed and in most places are quite detrimental to progress and corrupt.

I lived in Jeddah for three years.

If this was legitimate, you would most likely not have the same prejudice you do against muslims.

Might want to keep your stories straight.

I lived in Jeddah for three years.

If this was legitimate, you would most likely not have the same prejudice you do against muslims.

What prejudice do I have against Muslims?
Of course all the Saudis are 'experts' on Islam as Mohamed was from the area so I learned much from them.
Such as, by Muslim law, Obama must be a Muslim as his father was a Muslim.

What story do I need to keep straight?