Ex-skeptic tells US Congress climate change is real
November 14, 2011 by Kerry Sheridan
Rain falls in front of the world's first real-time carbon counter which displays greenhouse gas amounts in the atmosphere, after it was unveiled by Deutsche Bank in New York, in 2009. A prominent climate change skeptic told Congress on Monday he no longer doubts that global warming is real and caused by humans, and joined other scientists in urging action to stop it.
A prominent climate change skeptic told Congress on Monday he no longer doubts that global warming is real and caused by humans, and joined other scientists in urging action to stop it.
Physicist Richard Muller, director of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature Project, whose two-year research was funded in part by a foundation formed by the conservative billionaire Koch brothers, said he could find no bias in other studies.
"We confirm that over the last 50 years, temperature has risen 0.9 degrees Celsius, or 1.6 degrees Fahrenheit. This is the same number that the IPCC (UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) says."
Muller told the House Committee on Natural Resources that while he remains cautious about the extent to which humans have played a role, he now hopes other climate skeptics will come on board with his findings.
"As they read and study our papers, I am hoping that many of them will reflect my belief that they are open-minded and come to agree that yes, climate change temperature increase certainly has happened," he said.
"The amount that is due to humans is still open and there are very big uncertainties in that," Muller added, urging continued study of the matter.
"In my mind, humans have contributed to climate change. The real issue is how much?"
Muller's appearance on Capitol Hill was his first since his research was released last month, and comes just weeks after the Department of Energy reported a six percent increase last year in carbon output worldwide, the biggest jump ever.
Ranking committee Democrat Ed Markey lamented the United States' failure to act and applauded Australia's recent approval of a carbon tax to force its coal-fired power stations and other major emitters to "pay to pollute."
"Other countries are taking the threat seriously. Australia just passed a set of bills designed to reduce carbon pollution and positioned their country to compete in the global clean energy race," Markey said.
"The attacks on climate science have been a colossal distraction from the debate we should be having Congress on what actions should be taken to reduce pollution, create jobs, reclaim our lead in the clean energy race."
His colleague, Democrat Henry Waxman, said the Republican-controlled Congress had voted 21 times to block actions that would have addressed climate change.
"History will look back on this science denial with profound regret," Waxman said.
"When a prominent skeptic publishes a study determining that global warming is real, that is information Congress needs to hear."
Also on the panel was Ben Santer, research scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, who told lawmakers that international scientists have considered a host of different factors in their research, including rainfall, sea level pressure, continental runoff, surface humidity, and atmospheric moisture.
"The bottom line message in each case is, natural causation alone cannot explain the changes we see," Santer said.
"People sometimes incorrectly say, 'You climate scientists never consider alternate hypotheses, alternate plausible explanations of the observations.' That is not true," he added.
"We routinely consider such alternate hypotheses and try and determine whether they fit the available observations. They do not."
William Chameides, dean of Duke University's Nicholas School of the Environment in North Carolina and vice chair of the National Academies' Committee on America's Climate Choices, said there is a "pressing need for substantial actions."
Chameides helped produce a report earlier this year that urged the US government to reduce greenhouse gas emissions through a carbon pricing system and invest in research and development to mitigate its harmful effects.
"We know we are facing a risk. We know that the longer we take to act, the worse that risk is," he told lawmakers.
"With each ton of greenhouse gasses that we put into the atmosphere, we are increasing the risks of dangerous impacts of climate change, and those risks will be with us for many, many years. Perhaps 1,000 years," he added.
"Twenty percent of the C02 that we emit today when we all drive home and I fly home tonight, will be in the atmosphere, warming the atmosphere in 1,000 years," he said.
"It is something to think about very carefully when we think about our legacy for future generations."
(c) 2011 AFP
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Freaking nationalists and their tribe wars...
Back on topic...
"We routinely consider such alternate hypotheses and try and determine whether they fit the available observations. They do not."
Finally, someone familiar with the scientific process :)
Nov 14, 2011
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Well... not always. I would however go so far as to say that science is a process that incrementally attempts to attain truth. It may not always get there, and usually doesn't get there absolutely, but its better than any other process man has invented.
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Nov 15, 2011
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Jotaf, you are either deliberately misinterpreting my meaning, or you are a great fan of Communist China and don't want to acknowledge that they, too, are equal to the U.S. in the areas of pollution emissions. If you are against environmental pollution all over the world, then you must also include Red China, India and other countries, NOT just the United States. Americans are NOT the only polluters of the world, and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with nationalism that I defend my own country. But fair is fair. Even if the U.S. ceases all polluting, if Red China still continues to do so, how does it make things better? You seem to be biased against the U.S.
Nov 15, 2011
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"You seem to be biased against the U.S" - That is not the question.
Your mistake is to argue like that:
"Why should the U.S. do something before another (China) does a step in that direction."
I ask you: why not
In addition, and I am no fan of China:
China uses less than a quarter the energy of the US per capita...
Where do you think is it easier to reduce the carbon footprint?
Nov 15, 2011
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Countries are dependent on transportation and energy. People will starve if this 2 activities are reduced.
Maybe the age of massive travel is over. There is no reason to fly around the globe for a 2~3 day free conference.
Nov 15, 2011
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Chemical reactions will reverse themselves. Nuclear reactions won't. By speeding up the nuclear decay (atom bombs, nuclear reactors) we are increasing the rate of energy production. However, even this has to be investigated carefully because the earth has its means of shedding heat, and this likely increases with higher temperatures.
Nov 15, 2011
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All one has to do is monitor the man-made pollution coming out of Red China and india to realize that these governments and their citizens need to be more informed.
Nov 15, 2011
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Are you demanding that he lie instead?
He doesn't work for the Chinese. He was at least partly funded the Koch brothers for that matter. They almost certainly are torqued off about his results but I bet even they aren't demanding that he go rant at the Commie Chinese.
Its CHINESE not Communist Chinese. The other guys were and and are Tawainese and the most of the Chinese there came in from China and took over.
They lost over 60 years ago. GET OVER IT.
Its like calling Cuba, Communist Cuba to differentiate it from ... oh there isn't any other Cuba. Well there isn't any other China either.
And yes the present government in China sucks. But they didn't pay Mueller to find the truth. Then again I doubt that the Koch did either as they don't seem care for truth.
Ethelred
Nov 15, 2011
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What is inherently fair about evidence? Are you mixing up the beliefs favoured by evidence and the cost of actions entailed by the combination of those beliefs and your values?
Many developing nations then point out that 1) the developed nations contributed more to the CO2 already in the atmosphere, 2) the developed nations have higher per capita emissions and 3) much of emerging economies' emissions is from making stuff consumed by richer nations, making these rich countries' outsourced emissions.
Even if you dispute point 3, there is a long way to go before we can make demands based on fairness. Impact is another issue, and the Chinese DO know. That's why they have promised to reduce the carbon intensity of their economy. It will be interesting to see whether they are more committed to deliver than the West.
Nov 15, 2011
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I would like to say that it was my generation that spearheaded the effort to control, stop and then eventually reverse this trend....
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The U.S. has $18.6 billion invested in green energy.
I think China knows about Global Warming.
Nov 19, 2011
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From Article - Muller told the House Committee on Natural Resources that ... he remains cautious about the extent to which humans have played a role. "The amount that is due to humans is still open and there are very big uncertainties in that..."
So, Headline states that Mueller said that "global warming is real and caused by humans" while in the body of the article he clearly states that he remains cautious about the extent to which global warming is caused by humans. Don't any of you sheep see a difference in those two statements?
Let us not forget that no matter what one's opinion of whether global warming (or climate change) is real or not, the crux of the argument is about whether the source is anthropomorphic (man made, for you college edumacated ones) of part of a natural cycle.
Nov 19, 2011
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after they received some phone calls letting them know
there pensions or any future funding will be cut off from them
unless they repent and tow the party line
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Ethelred
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You are clearly ill-informed. Both China and the United States are pouring toxins into the environment. China does not have any different understanding of "physics" and is, in fact, very much in denial about AGW. Which is not to say that none of them care and that none of them are doing anything about it. But, like most industrialized nations, they're growing, need more energy and more "stuff", and don't know how to keep everyone happy while at the same time polluting less.
Nov 19, 2011
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On the other hand, both nations are making great strides to address these complex issues which, unfortunately, don't have any easy answers.
And, as a whole, the G20 has invested 33% more this year than last in renewable energy. All recognize it as a problem. All are doing some things to improve the situation. The question is, are any doing enough?
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He WAS partly funded by the Koch Brothers. If you have problem with that statement you should have ranked it a five and taken it out on the Greedy Brothers. They lied to you.
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http://www.youtub...0EPWgkEI
And heres a more recent one where he describes what he actually thinks in his own words, rather than propogandised rubbish:
http://www.youtub...Gw0_9nbE
Muller never doubted AGW, has some reservations about CAGW, he recognised scientific fraud in Climategate and is skeptical about the effects of US CO2 emissions reduction in the face of a growing Chinease economy.
Nov 21, 2011
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He showed the measurements were correct and thus the world is actually warming up. He also clearly stated that human produced CO2 is involved.
So how doe your complaining about China going to make that science go away? The science was the issue here not the economy. That is another issue that will be up to international politics and agreements to deal with.
Ethelred