Comet defies death, brushes up to sun and lives
December 16, 2011
Image of sun courtesy of NASA.
A small comet survived what astronomers figured would be a sure death when it danced uncomfortably close to the broiling sun Thursday night.
Comet Lovejoy was only discovered a couple of weeks ago. It was supposed to melt as it came so close to the sun that the temperatures would hit several million degrees.
But astronomers watching live with NASA telescopes were shocked when a bright spot emerged on the sun's other side. Lovejoy lived.
The comet came within 75,000 miles of the sun. For a small object often described as a dirty snowball, that brush with the sun should have been fatal.
Astronomers say it probably wasn't deadly because the comet was larger than they thought.
Read an update: Comet Lovejoy plunges into the sun and survives (w/ video)
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1st sanity rule: "To know that you don't know is best,
To pretend to know what you do not know is a disease."
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You apparently didn't realize, Oliver K. Manuel suffers with schizophrenia. He lives in the world of his imaginations - which explains, why he raped his children too. He probably believed, he is in marital status with them, or something similar.
Dec 16, 2011
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Such is the quality of that journal so often sited by Denilist bloggers.
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He's just a masochist. There are a number of those here.
Zephyr/Calippo/rawa1
kevinrts
omatumr
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Dec 16, 2011
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At least, for some common decency, keep away from going after peoples character whether it be true or not.
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Sincerely, it was not meant to be character assassination. After following posts on here, it was a serious question. He has definitely been the target of many attacks. I'm just saying that with all of the brutal words that have been directed by what appear to be peers who know him, I would expect an average person to step away or present valid facts to dispute what others have stated. I actually do agree with what you state above, but it has gotten to the point that my curiosity has gotten the best of me. I really know nothing of the man on a personal level.
Dec 16, 2011
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No. Why would it? I mean - if you were to throw an object, travelling several dozen kilometers per second through an atmosphere at several million degrees you'd not expect it to change, right?
(warning: the above contains sarcasm)
Look at the picture of a solar eclipse. Notice that huge fuzzy area around the rim of the sun. That's the solar corona. Passing through that is no picknick.
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@antialias- thanks for the warning!
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I assume everyone here is sincere in using the most basic principles of physics - observations and measurements [1,2] - to acquire information about reality.
My reality says CO2 is a minor component in one of the smaller insulating blankets (Earth's atmosphere) that protects us from violent instabilities induced by superfluidity [1] and neutron repulsion [2] in the core of Sun - Earth's actual heat source.
As noted above, "Comet Lovejoy may have been the solar probe that arrived by 'coincidence' this holiday season to reveal new information about the Earth's actual heat source - the Sun!"
I will answer sincere questions about physics - but not insincere distractions.
1. "Super-fluidity in the solar interior: Implications for solar eruptions and climate", Journal of Fusion Energy 21, 193-198 (2002):
http://arxiv.org/.../0501441
2. "Neutron repulsion", The APEIRON Journal, in press:
http://arxiv.org/...2.1499v1
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Good question.
Certainly the volatile parts, acquired from the outer regions of the Solar System, would have been partially if not completely lost.
Considerable time may be required for the heat flow to cause phase changes, like melting and volatilizing of solids and liquids, so they can escape.
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BTW...I am everyone you disagree with...just one big conspiratorial figure giving my comments 5's.
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Who knows? Past observations generally showed that comet tails point away from the heat source - the Sun.
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Evidentially, by literally setting up question and answer sessions with himself so he can feel like he's helped someone?
That appears to be what is going on here. Also watch any of his videos where he interviews some imaginary child or whatever that is really himself. It's been like a year since I've seen it, don't care to see it again.
Dec 16, 2011
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These two statements together... wow, just wow.
Dec 16, 2011
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So are you saying that all I have to do to prove that someone is wrong about something is to dig up some dirt about their personal lives?
Dec 16, 2011
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@axemaster. . .it's quite obvious that the Sun is a great source of heat, as evidenced by the warmth of the Sun, especially in Summer that is readily felt as you're lying on the beach. But Oliver likes to remind us of these things. . . .and his post is really quite harmless and there's no need to get an anxiety attack over him. Just ignore his post if you're offended by him. At least he's posting SOMETHING that he thinks is important to the discussion, even if no one else thinks so.
Observe the character assassination and personal attacks in this thread and others. Do you think any of it is relevant to the topic?
I like comets and I try to see the Geminids each year if the weather permits it. But a comet passing so close to the Sun and not being pulled in is awesome.
Dec 16, 2011
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I...can't...believe...you...wrote...that!
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Yes, since the topic at this point is "why does this nutjob / child molester still post on this website?". And we aren't assassinating his character - "character assassination" implies unjust statements about a person. I think our comments about him are completely justified.
Check out these articles. And yes, they are the same person as he gives in his profile, I checked.
http://mominer.ms...hildren/
http://police.mst...v99.html
http://www.highbe...831.html
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uh oh. . .dinner time. be back later
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Update: Charges have been dropped for rape and sodomy. Only attempted sodomy still stands.
http://archive.co...s013.asp
I'm not denying the severity of this guys situation (and who really knows the whole truth but him). But do you still think your own comments are justifiable here, axemaster?
Dec 16, 2011
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The article was from 3 years ago. The trial is probably over by now. He must have spent a lot of money on good lawyers. Probably the statute of limitations expired on some of the charges.
Legal problems aside, I previously asked him legitimate questions about his theory and got unsatisfactory answers. For example: if all stars have neutron stars in the middle, how did the neutron stars form?
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http://mominer.ms...hildren/
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Another empirical reality - ignored for the last 40 years to promote the global climate agenda [1] - may generate heat by radioactive decay of actinide elements in material acquired from the outer part of the Solar System, making a "tail" (eruption) independent of the Sun.
Actinide elements (Th, U, Pu etc) were made by rapid neutron capture in the outer part SN where lightweight elements (H, He, C, N) were abundant [2]. That may also explain the excess Xe-136 and residual heat in Jupiter [3].
I.e., some tails of comets may be like a volcanos on Earth - powered by the decay of Th and U inside the comet/Earth.
1. http://dl.dropbox...asks.pdf
2. http://www.omatum...igin.htm
3. www.lpi.usra.edu/...5011.pdf
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likely the composition of the comet is incorrect.
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Well said. You do good work here exposing Oliver.
Dec 17, 2011
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Is he taking medical treatment for mental psychosis? Libido emasculating drugs? Did his Children recant their charges against him.
So Oliver what was it?
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Virtually nothing is known about the comet in question, other than it's probable origin and probable similarity to the onces visited.
Even it's mass is unknown. Inferred from it's brightness.
"either the composition of the comet is not accurate" - Javd
Dec 17, 2011
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What we have here is one Libertarian Low Life trying to protect another.
"the proper word is "alleged" or "allegedly" since none of us were witness to the assault. Now, can we drop the subject? Thanks" - Spirochete
Dec 17, 2011
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Yes. But for some reason the charges against him were dropped.
What is left is Oliver's science. Which is non-existent due to his mental psychosis.
Now given Oliver's obvious mental condition, you have to wonder why a journal - run by a climate denialist - would publish some of Oliver's Rantings about an Iron Sun. (Energy and Environment)
And you have to wonder why Global Warming Denialist scientists (old, washed up and on tenure) like Pilmer directly quote from OmaTard's books that claim that the sun is a ball of Iron.
This the quality of science coming from Denialists.
The more you look at Global Warming Denialism the more Denialist corruption become evident.
And that is why Denialists like Spirochete want to avoid dicussion's of Oliver's crimes, both intellectual and physical.
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But while Oliver's mental disorder is almost certainly chemical in origin, RyggTard and Spirochete and other Libertarian/Randites willingly culture their severe mental defect.
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When they turned the LHC on, he vanished in a puff of smoke.
Coincidence?
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- A comet is a "dirty snowball". This one survived a close approach without disintegrating, so it could be a "snowy dirt ball", or a rocky or metallic asteroid with some volatiles. The hypothesis that "the comet must be larger than thought" does not fly. If it is a lot larger, the out gassing will be correspondingly bigger, and the comet would have been detected a lot earlier, which it wasn't.
..and for the scifi fans: it's an alien spaceship trying the same timewarp maneuver that Kirk and his crew did...:-D
Dec 17, 2011
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@Skepticus. . . .I tend to go with the actual makeup of the comet itself being very small, something that is so small that the Sun's gravitational pull had very little effect on it, if any. A tiny piece of rock in an orbit that takes it far from the Sun where it accumulates water or another type of ice in outer space, layer upon layer, over and over again so that it becomes large enough to withstand the heat of the Sun upon the comet's return.
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yeah, he got lucky he lives in a ass backwards southern state. he should be doing life in prison.
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-just a guy interested in science...
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i do it for the guy or gal who's developed an interest in sceince and wanted to learn more about it and expand their knowledge and found the site. they have a right to know about olivers credibility and that his info is not based off of actual reality, just his paranoid delusions.
im sorry about the thread comments getting clogged up with this. i cant just let oliver say whatever he wants w/o responding though.
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You noticed that too........
Dec 18, 2011
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www.ipa.org.au/pu...c-alarms
In fact, they do not!
Al Gore and the UN are totally powerless over the forces that power the Sun, control Earth's climate, and sustain life on Earth.
As the AGW scare collapses, information is being made public on the ill-tempered pulsar that produced our elements, gave birth to the Solar System, and still controls our fate.
http://dl.dropbox...asks.pdf
Those who use emotionalism to divert attention away from experimental data and observations identify their masters.
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo
www.omatumr.com
http://myprofile....anuelo09
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1. Join politicians in spreading fears and false claims of control over Nature
www.ipa.org.au/pu...c-alarms
2. Study precise rest mass data on every atom and see for yourself:
a.) Neutrons attract protons to make stable atoms
b.) Neutrons repel other neutrons;
___ Neutron-rich atoms are unstable
c.) Protons repel protons even more strongly;
___ Proton-rich atoms are less stable
d.) A benevolent Reality that surrounds and sustains us is in a "Cradle of the Nuclides"
www.amazon.com/Or...06465620
http://dl.dropbox..._Not.pdf
But ignoring data does not change reality.
The AGW scam will collapse once the public knows that a pulsar produced our elements, gave birth to the Solar System, and still controls our fate today.
http://dl.dropbox...asks.pdf
Best wishes for the Holidays!
Today all is well,
Oliver
Dec 18, 2011
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Well, that's the source of the befuddlement - comets aren't dirty snowballs, they never have been, and despite almost universal claims to the contrary there's never been any evidence that they were. The whole "dirty snowball" thing is predicated on the assumption (and "assumption" it is) that they're leftovers form the formation of the solar system.
Strangely enough, although all the evidence we've collected points to them being rocky bodies that have been exposed to extreme heat at least at some point in their history, the "dirty snowball" myth persists.
Why? Many will probably say "because of the behaviors that we normally associate as being 'cometary'" and (as usual) ask the seemingly-rhetorical-but-in-actuality-isn't question "What else could they be (other than dirty snowballs)???"
Well, there's a perfectly reasonable answer that has nothing to do with UFOs or the like. But it isn't a welcome answer.
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Doubters of reality - the pulsar core Sun- also try to avoid new observations made on young solar-type stars:
http://adsabs.har...31...69B
Young solar-type stars:
a.) Rotate rapidly
b.) Are magnetically active
c.) Some have magnetic cycles like the 22-yr solar activity cycle
How does an interstellar cloud of H to collapse and perform these feats?
Could it be that young solar-type stars have a pulsar core, like the Sun?
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo
www.omatumr.com
http://myprofile....anuelo09
Dec 19, 2011
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Pirouette, out in space you can basically consider all objects to be electrically charged entities moving through a conductive medium (plasma, which is itself current-carrying). In the case of "things within the solar system", this medium is usually referred to as the "solar wind", or more accurately called the "Heliospheric current sheet". (Note: Some claim this is confusing two different things, i.e. the "wind" is driven by the "current sheet". I think they're mistaken because you can't have a magnetic field without an electric current. But my point is valid either way.)
Due to the solar wind, there exists an electric gradient (voltage drop?) from the Sun out to the (solar) Magnetopause.
What's this got to do with comets?
Well, it turns out that the only substantive difference between an asteroid and a comet is its orbital path. (continued...)
Dec 19, 2011
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Asteroids, having basically stable orbits, are near or at electrical equilibrium with the surrounding plasma.
Comets, on the other hand are quickly traversing the gradient when we see them, building up tremendous electrical stress, which is why they sometimes fragment as far away as Jupiter's orbit, and can have an active coma at distances much too far from the sun to be explained by thermal processes.
The coma is an electrical discharge phenomena, ditto the "jets" and tail - the dust is being ripped from the surface by electric discharge machining, not thermal out-gassing of deep volatiles.
This is an unwelcome answer NOT because it is supposedly faulty science (it is based on sound and solid science), but because it gives credence to the "Electric Universe" theorists' views. However, "facts are facts", and the evidence we continue to collect support this theory, and not that of the "dirty snowball". Nevertheless, the "dirty snowball" myth persists.
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Why? The amount of protons and electrons ejected should be roughly the same - So any comet moving throug this medium should not pick up a net charge.
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http://standards..../3314877 (which yields a pdf with the file name: NASA-HDBK-4002A.pdf)
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I believe in the electric current theory that ties everything in the Universe together. . .I just am not familiar with the scientific terminology.
Is this correct?
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NO, it can't! Rotate rapidly - that tends to happen when you look at a heterogenous plasma around a humongous fusion reaction. Magnetically active - of course a rapidly rotating plasma will have a magnetic field. The ions won't be uniformly distributed. As to the length of the field reversal, I would expect a similar composition star in size and shape to have similar magnetic field properties.
This is the same post from another article. Seriously do you just post the same dribble to different articles?