Japan, Russia see chance to clone mammoth
December 4, 2011
An archaeologist removes dirt from around a 50,000 year old mammoth tusk. Scientists from Japan and Russia believe it may be possible to clone a mammoth after finding well-preserved bone marrow in a thigh bone recovered from permafrost soil in Siberia, a report said Saturday.
Scientists from Japan and Russia believe it may be possible to clone a mammoth after finding well-preserved bone marrow in a thigh bone recovered from permafrost soil in Siberia, a report said Saturday.
Teams from the Sakha Republic's mammoth museum and Japan's Kinki University will launch fully-fledged joint research next year aiming to recreate the giant mammal, Japan's Kyodo News reported from Yakutsk, Russia.
By replacing the nuclei of egg cells from an elephant with those taken from the mammoth's marrow cells, embryos with mammoth DNA can be produced, Kyodo said, citing the researchers.
The scientists will then plant the embryos into elephant wombs for delivery, as the two species are close relatives, the report said.
Securing nuclei with an undamaged gene is essential for the nucleus transplantation technique, it said.
For scientists involved in the research since the late 1990s, finding nuclei with undamaged mammoth genes has been a challenge. Mammoths became extinct about 10,000 years ago.
But the discovery in August of the well-preserved thigh bone in Siberia has increased the chances of a successful cloning.
Global warming has thawed ground in eastern Russia that is usually almost permanently frozen, leading to the discoveries of a number of frozen mammoths, the report said.
(c) 2011 AFP
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There was a reason why tha mammoths went extinct, let them rest in peace.
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Most unlikely nonetheless. Only the mammoth is possible to be seen again in my lifetime.
Imagine a mammoth ride through the taiga in the winter.... (SOME wodka included :-)
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Also, I would pay to ride a mammoth.
well, a real mammoth, not scifreak86's mother-in-law.
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Don't make it sound so noble. I don't think that logic holds up. It's for own enjoyment ultimately.
We just regret not seeing the big furry elephants since we (probably) killed them off 10k years ago.
Dec 04, 2011
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Tastes like chicken :)
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They need to find some viable mammoth eggs to put the DNA in.
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I bet some day we will be able to reverse-engineer a creature just from a good fossil specimen, together with what we will learn about genetics and the function of organisms and evolution. We will be able to discern from that skeleton what organs it held and what muscles were attached to it. From those we should be able to rewrite a large percent of the code which created them, which we could compare to their descendants and fill in even more. Etc.
Life is probably a very complex formula with suprisingly few variables.
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A new science - reconstructive evolution. We could surmise the existence of animals we havent found yet due to the evidence that that form was necessary to bridge a certain gap.
We could create extremely detailed computer models of these animals in lieu of actually growing them. Cell for cell perhaps. As they're planning on doing with the human brain.
Dec 04, 2011
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http://www.foodba...eat.html
-A collector friend of mine had one of those tusks sitting on his coffee table.
Dec 04, 2011
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We could even resurrect the mammoth hunt as a human pastime activity.
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The reason they went extinct is likely due to overhunting. This is the same reason nearly everything is going extinct these days.
It's because of people like this, that I hope that they DO resurrect the mammoth.
a) It will show that the species isn't lost forever.
b) It will give us a chance to see them alive, study them and study their lifestyle.
c) And, most importantly, it will make the naysayers unhappy.
Also, it would be awesome if they could also do this with other animals (i.e. Neanderthals, Wooly Rhino, Thylacine, Sabre Toothed Tigers). Dinosaurs are still much of a stretch, since we don't have any preserved Dinosaur tissue.
Dec 04, 2011
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Hold on a second...
There, I've cleaned the mess, my mind has exploded. Frozen mammoth meat, well I don't see why not! It would certainly make for enormous bragging rights, and could be a culinary experience for a gourmet who has tried all other meats. I just haven't thought about naturally frozen mammoth before!
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How can there be any genetic diversity if all of them are clones of the same animal? Wouldn't all of the other clones have the exact DNA, hence the term clone?
Dec 05, 2011
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Really? That's all you got from that?
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genome, DNA engineering?
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http://en.wikiped...fy31.jpg
That's my vote for the name of the first one:
" Aloysius "
Dec 05, 2011
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My guess is at best we will get a sick, short lived mammoth, if it develops at all :(. But doesn't hurt to try, cause you never know.
Dec 05, 2011
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Actually the Pyrenean Ibex was brought back for all of 7 minutes.
Dec 05, 2011
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FREEZING INSTANTANEOUS
"A writer in Knowledge for 1892, tells of the many discoveries of mammoth flesh in fresh condition and mentions that the natives of Siberia as well as their dogs have eaten of the flesh-another striking proof of its freshness. But perhaps the most remarkable testimony of this sort is the fact that an actual banquet has been served from the flesh of this supposedly extinct animal"
There is another similar from the 1920 where a reporter tried mammoth meat and claimed what he had was horrible and uneatable because of a freezer-burn type taste.
I think we need some fresh stuff.
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Both the lack of genetic diversity and the mitochondrial RNA are valid points in any case.
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Some cloned sheep and cattle are living nearly full lives now. It seems that they have been making progress. Just because we have trouble now, doesn't mean we won't perfect it later, or even become moderately successful.
As for genetic diversity, I bet the elephant is close enough genetically to cross breed and create a hybrid animal that is analagous to the mammoth but has enough diversity to survive as a population.
i think the biggest obstacle is the fact that you'll have to severely upgrade the slaughter houses to handle animals that big.
Dec 05, 2011
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Why the hell would you think that?
Extinction is as natural as death, would you work to oppose death as well?
If you answer yes you haven't fully considered the ramifications of either.
Dec 05, 2011
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Uhh... you do realize that the world is equally strange for everything when they are born right? The newly born organism has no idea that all others of it's kind existed a long time ago... it would not feel out of place like a time traveler would... it is a new life born now, just like anything else.
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Why would one not? I'm assuming you think it is futile. Do you have a different reason?
Also Humans are an emergent property of the universe so anything we do is also "natural". Resurrecting extinct species would be a natural act, as ALL acts are.
Natural/unnatural is the most lazy, meaningless false dichotomy imaginable.
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Death is a prerequisite of 99.99999etc% of all life that has ever existed... death drives evolution. complex multicellular life would not exist without it.
I fully agree with this. I didn't mean to imply it would be unnatural to oppose death, just unwise
Dec 05, 2011
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^The original quote
I don't think it is a prerequisite of life. That seems anthropic to me. And before we get muddied in definitions immortality IS NOT invulnerability. I'm not saying technology will defeat death, I'm saying technology can defeat aging.
You can view aging as a genetic disease that all humans (and most organisms) share. Bacteria don't age in the same sense we do. They just kind of grow and bud off. As far as multicellular life, there is the immortal jellyfish http://en.wikiped...utricula .
I view it as a genetic disease in light of humanity (and a few other organisms) species-wide genetic inability to produce vitamin C. Aging just happens to be more complex and selected for for more reasons.
Maybe death is required to develop complex, intelligent life. We're already there though. We have the presence of mind to change it
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Otherwise I agree with you, but must point out that our lifespans were likely selected for like anything else... once you've reproduced and raised your offspring to maturity you don't really contribute anything more to the fitness of the species.
Dec 05, 2011
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If you clone a whole herd, assumably from different corpses, how would they know how to act together?
At best you will have an animatronic version of a mammoth.
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That's a little extreme, isn't it?
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I took it as him trying to show off about his knowledge of weapons or something... it was an odd comment in any case.
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I took the comment about the compound bows, etc, as a sort of tongue in cheek reference as to how 'hunting for mammoths like our ancestors' wouldn't really resemble the way that our ancestors did it.
If you actually know anything at an introductory level about those weapons, then you would realize that he's trying to make it sound extreme on purpose - not to demonstrate knowledge...It's a mix of mostly common high end elements, and a few made up components.
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It very well could be that they had a learned culture that is lost, never to be recovered. I remember reading something similar about a type of extremely endangered tiger. They aren't worrying about it going extinct, but they are worried about it's learned behaviors going extinct.
I'd say the mammoth would probably be in a similar situation. Integrating them into elephant "culture" may be the only option.
Dec 06, 2011
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Correction - those are all real elements. The point is though that we use all this technology and materials science to get 'back to the basics'
Dec 07, 2011
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You're probably right, but that wasn't how I saw it. I saw it as a hypothetical plan to brutally murder mammoths. lol
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I see - the Russians found a bone, so they want to use it as an opportunity for getting the priority and as a source grant money by now, the actual results are secondary. We should learn first how to clone an elephant reliably before wasting the only sample we have for adventurous experiments. Just my few cents, these Russian primitives will not listen anybody anyway. http://www2.macle...erosene/
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https://www.googl...=cloning endangered species&gs_upl=0l0l0l3967lllllllllll0&aqi=g4s1
-Still not working o well.
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