Hong Kong freezes $42 mln in Megaupload raids

Kim Dotcom is far from being an angel - but my question is, how is it possible, the German citizen can be prosecuted with USA FBI for company based in Hong Kong and Dotcom domain residing at in New Zealand? Only the leased servers in Virginia belong into USA jurisdiction - not his cars, bank accounts and other private property.

Another question is, who will indemnify the legal users of Megaupload for lost of their private data stored there. The laws cannot be enforced with violation of laws and the USA should stop to play the international gendarmes, or the people will identify with Arabians, Venezuelans and Russians, who perceive the USA in the same way. After all, the business model of MegaUpload is very similar to Google, which shares the books and videos and makes money from ads leading to its stores. The main difference is, the Google is American company, but the MegaUpload isn't.

What a Conservative Libertarian "friend" of mine told me a few years back is that in America it is proper and moral, for it to be illegal to do anything that reduces corporate profits.

Do you understand how it is possible now?

"Kim Dotcom is far from being an angel - but my question is, how is it possible, the German citizen can be prosecuted with USA FBI for company based in Hong Kong and Dotcom domain residing at in New Zealand?" - Callippo

Are the hosting companies that leased the servers being prosecuted? Is AT&T that distributed the data being prosecuted?

Sorry, those are American Companies and it is moral and proper that their profits not be reduced.

"it is proper and moral, for it to be illegal to do anything that reduces corporate profits."

Ahh, Italian style fascism in America. Did Mussolini really die, I wonder?

If THIS isn't a crime worth throwing someone in jail, what is?
http://upsidedown...-ecuador

Never mind the WTC towers were "dustified" with a scalar weapon while the perps are still at large. Uncle Sammy got Megaupload. Now the Rothschild Film Funding company can feel safe again.

KooooooooooK Tarrrrrrrrrrrrrd

""dustified" with a scalar weapon: - kochevnik

You anti-corporation, anti-profit, anti-capitalists, are not relevant to the real world.

There are laws that protect private property and copyrights, for a reason. Multiple countries are cooperating to defeat such lawlessness and anti-social behavior in this case, and others.

Stealing movies, music, software, and other copyrighted material without compensating the owners, is illegal in the real world, even in your moms basement. Your anti-capitalist, anti-American idealistic fantasy world, is profoundly immature and stupid.

Your anti-capitalist, anti-American idealistic fantasy world, is profoundly immature and stupid.

And short sighted.
Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom points out the nations that are most prosperous defined and defend private property.
This is a key component of Canada's economic recovery.

Did Russia make cars or electronics or for that matter any product worth a damn, that can compete on the global market? Answer, no. Nobody wants there crap. Their notions of value and profit were stupid and counter to progress.

The only product the Russians made that was worth a damn is the AK-47. But its design was borrowed from the Germans.
The Russian rocket program, like the US's depended upon the German scientists captured in WWII.

Ironic that VD has a problem with kockevnik's 911 truther statements, given his equally moronic & over the top "radical" anti-America, anti-corporation posts.

money talks and then prosecutes

Information can never be property since information is mutable and only exists in a form that is encrypted and encoded on arbitrary physical media.

"There are laws that protect private property and copyrights, for a reason." - NumenTard

The concept of information as property is illegitimate, and only appeals to the corrupt, and the Fascist. Those who claim to be Libertarians and Randites come immediately to mind.

"Multiple countries are cooperating to defeat such lawlessness and anti-social behavior in this case, and others." - NoumenTard

Just as multiple countries fought in support of German ideals in WWII.

You know... Just like George Bush's grandfather and Conservative American bankers supported the NAZI's.

"Stealing movies, music, software, and other copyrighted material without compensating the owners, is illegal in the real world" - NoumenTard

It is, but then piracy isn't theft and never has been.
Piracy is the duplication of information.

""radical" anti-America, anti-corporation posts." - NoumenTard

"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice." - Libertarian Credo

Meanwhile here on planet Reality, the bankrupt American state can't launch a man into space, and is relying on the Russians to carry them there.

"The only product the Russians made that was worth a damn is the AK-47." - RyggTard

"Did Russia make cars or electronics or for that matter any product worth a damn, that can compete on the global market?" - NoumenTard

Poor NumenTard. He is a victim of his own nation's trade restrictions that have made it illegal for him to purchase Russian products in America.

Is it still illegal for "Free" Americans to travel to Cuba Tard boy?

When it comes from the Heritage Foundation you know it's a corporate lie. That is what the Heritage foundation is for. It is paid by corporations to spread pro-corporate dis-information.

"Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic" - RyggTard

Next....

vendicardecarian...

It is, but then piracy isn't theft and never has been.
Piracy is the duplication of information.

for all your "INTELLECT" and extremely boldly stated opinions as facts you might consider backing these up with a source or several. and from your logic I could say ,if you ever could come up with enough words that we would want to read, you wouldn't consider a book that you had authored to be your personal property. intellectual property. what is different about a digital book of code that we are currently using to have these amazing conversations. If the creator, or author chooses to renounce their rights to this information that is their choice. but it should be their choice, not yours, whether the lazy can gain from the ideas of others.

everyone on this earth is more naive to more ideas than they could comprehend. enough with your arrogance big dog

Your reading preferences are not my concern. But you are of course entirely welcome to copy any or all of what I post for your own purposes. I request that you source me as their origin, but that is a request, not a legal requirement.

"if you ever could come up with enough words that we would want to read, you wouldn't consider a book that you had authored to be your personal property. intellectual property." - FoolsPoo

They creator of information has no claim to any aspect of that information once they have made it public. But they have every right to it if they keep it to themselves.

"If the creator, or author chooses to renounce their rights to this information that is their choice" - FoolsPoo

I am open to restrictions on using publicly sourced information for profit since Capitalist exchanges of money are easily monitored and regulated, and because Capitalism must be controlled for the benefit of society.

However, corporations are not people, and I grant people cart-blanch

@VD,

Intellectual property does not equate to being merely "information", as that term is used in the general sense.

Intellectual property is a product no different than any other, and IS protected by copyright laws.

These are facts.

The only people wishing to reduce IP to no more value than a random string of bytes, are those wishing to steal it for free.

"Did Russia make cars or electronics or for that matter any product worth a damn, that can compete on the global market?" - NoumenTard

Poor NumenTard. He is a victim of his own nation's trade restrictions that have made it illegal for him to purchase Russian products in America.

Is it still illegal for "Free" Americans to travel to Cuba Tard boy?

That is beside the point and you know it. Russia has not made anything worth wanting. They have zero products that are desired on the global market. That is the point.

Did Russia make cars or electronics or for that matter any product worth a damn, that can compete on the global market? Answer, no. Nobody wants there crap. Their notions of value and profit were stupid and counter to progress.

Actually we did. My Lada car was also sold in England and Europe. Many nations appreciate the benefits of our value-priced arms. Many of the Soviet machines still work while the Western crap needs replacement. The locks, toilet, steel door, washing machine, coffee grinder, furniture, skyscraper, roads, trains, subway, power, music, literature, theater etc. are all Russian made. Of course we don't have an army of starving slaves ready to die making cheap crap for merchantilists to peddle in Topika, Kansas like China does.

@Noumenon That is beside the point and you know it. Russia has not made anything worth wanting. They have zero products that are desired on the global market. That is the point.

If by "Russia" you mean "conservatives" then yes, you are correct. Russia doesn't need to do exports we have enough work for the century developing our own great country. The largest in the world. And you really need to take less of whatever you're taking...

@Noumenon Intellectual property does not equate to being merely "information", as that term is used in the general sense.

The laws of physics are against you on this point, as well.

"Intellectual property does not equate to being merely "information", as that term is used in the general sense." - NumenTard

Actually it does, since by definition, intellectual property is information.

"Intellectual property is a product no different than any other" - NumenTard

Wow, that is funny. You think you have found a way to encode french toast onto a flash drive, and a method of making exact copies of any object instantly and without depriving the owner of the object of his rights of posession.

You need to put that tin foil cap back on NumenTard. Those moon beams are frying what is left of your inferior brain.

"The only people wishing to reduce IP to no more value than a random string of bytes" - NumenTard

Since all of what you claim is "IP" can be converted to a string of bytes, you are doing nothing but jabbering incoherent, pointless, nonsense.

And that is why America is purchasing space launch services from the Russians.

"Russia has not made anything worth wanting. They have zero products that are desired on the global market." NumenTard

"The locks, toilet, steel door, washing machine, coffee grinder, furniture, skyscraper, roads, trains, subway, power, music, literature, theater etc. are all Russian made." Koche

Not all American products are crap that falls apart. Just the majority of them. They are designed to fall apart and force consumers to purchase new products.

It's the Capitalist way.

As I said in the other thread, "Copyrights and patents exist for a reason. Ideas have value. The soviets equated value of a manufactured product in its labour and costs of production. Everyone knows the soviets are morons wrt free market,.. as the value of a product is NOT in it's labour and cost of production,.. it is in what people are willing to pay for it.".

So, it is as irrelevant if the product is merely a special arrangement of bytes, as it is irrelevant that another is merely a special arrangement of glass and metal. Both involve an idea in it's creation, and both have value ultimately determined by the market.

I'm stating how the existing laws ARE wrt copyrights, while you are stating how you wish them to be.

Unfortunately for you the west is a free capitalistic society and "value" is defined accordingly and other nations must accept this if they want to do business with the west.

The Lada is a Fiat design.

The Lada is a Fiat design.

You cant even use google how are we goign to take you serious.

"You cant even use google.." - Kass

RyggTard can use google of course. What you are seeing is the fact that Libertarians are invariably perpetual liars.

Whenever their ideology is challenged. Libertarians lie as a standard response.

The Lada is a Fiat design.

You cant even use google how are we goign to take you serious.

"Fiat models were the basis of early Ladas who were intended as a people's car form their inception. "
http://www.autoev...history/

"As I said in the other thread" - NumenTard

You can repeat your stupidity as many times as you like, but it will remain stupidity.

"Unfortunately for you the west is a free capitalistic society and "value" is defined accordingly and other nations must accept this if they want to do business with the west." - NeumenTard

It is true that the United States has done it's best to coerce other nations to accept it's laws in their country. But now that the world sees how corrupt the failed American state has become as a result of those laws, that era is over, and the errors will be corrected.

America is no longer relevant on the world stage.

"Innovation, which is the transfer of a scientific discovery (new product or process) into production, has long been a problem for the Soviet Union. Despite a strong scientific base, the country has had a mixed record of innovation. "
http://www.countr...814.html

From RyggTard's own link.

"Lada, as it is commonly thought, is not an auto producer but a trademark belonging to Russian manufacturer Autovoz'

RyggTard regularly posts links that contradict his own claims.

This isn't the first time.

Typical Libertarian Retard.

Russian Trade

http://www.users....~chegeo/

"In 1966, Fiat helped USSR state industries build a new car factory (AvtoVAZ) on the Volga river. A planned city called Tolyatti (named after Palmiro Togliatti, former Italian Communist Party Secretary) was developed around the factory, which started producing a "people's car" similar to the Volkswagen Beetle and Citroën 2CV of Germany and France. The new Soviet car, called the Lada, was a more spacious offering, in four-door saloon and five-door estate variants. Fiat installed British machine tools supplied by Herbert-BSA[64] of Birmingham for the manufacture of many Lada parts."
Wiki

"Fiat helped" - RyggTard

Originally the lying Libertarian claimed that the LADA was a Fiat Design.

His own references don't even support his own fraudulent claims.

How Libertarian of him.

Like all communists countries, USSR, China, etc can only copy what others have created.

The Tokamak configuration that is currently the best design for a nuclear fusion reactor is a Russian Design.

The rockets that Russia is currently using to carry Americans into orbit is of Russian design.

The Periodic Table was created by a Russian.

Chromatography was invented in Russia.

Synthetic Rubber was invented in Russia.

The pocket phone was invented in Russia.

The transistor flip flop was invented in Russia.

Radiosonde was invented in Russia.

The PV solar cell was invented in Russia.

The Fast Neutron Reactor was invented in Russia.

The LED and the AC Transformer were invented in Russia.

Street lights and colored printing was invented in Russia.

Air ionizers were invented in Russia.

Blood banks were invented in Russia.

The MRI was invented in Russia.

THe list is endless.

Like all communists countries, USSR, China, etc can only copy what others have created.

How much did the USA copy from europe and asia?

As I said in the other thread, "Copyrights and patents exist for a reason. Ideas have value. The soviets equated value of a manufactured product in its labour and costs of production. Everyone knows the soviets are morons wrt free market,.. as the value of a product is NOT in it's labour and cost of production,.. it is in what people are willing to pay for it.".

So many are willing to pay $0. That's your free market at work, Noumenon. So why are you so angry about the will of the free market? After all, you genius intellect on the topic should be able to iron out incongruities like that. Please answer because we eastern morons are clueless about this paradox and need enlightenment.

The Lada is a Fiat design.

No, it's Henry Ford's design.

The Tokamak configuration that is currently the best design for a nuclear fusion reactor is a Russian Design.

Tesla invented radio, AC current and half the modern conveniences used every day. Serbian genius undermined by decadent robber barons. Microsoft bought a large complex near Stalin's cottage to tap Russian programming talent which has made much of the code over the past fifteen years. I don't think Russian is any Mecca but we did benefit from free, world-class education courtesy of the Soviet system equal to any in the hard sciences.

As I said in the other thread, "Copyrights and patents exist for a reason. Ideas have value. The soviets equated value of a manufactured product in its labour and costs of production. Everyone knows the soviets are morons wrt free market,.. as the value of a product is NOT in it's labour and cost of production,.. it is in what people are willing to pay for it.".

So many are willing to pay $0. That's your free market at work, Noumenon. So why are you so angry about the will of the free market? After all, you genius intellect on the topic should be able to iron out incongruities like that. Please answer because we eastern morons are clueless about this paradox and need enlightenment

Criminals are always willing to pay zero, which is why there are laws. My point wrt Russia having no products on the world market due to their past history in not understanding the nature of value and market is spot on.

The criminal in the above story, "Kim Dotcon" is a mega rich guy, PROFITING off of other peoples property.

Copyrighted material is not "free information". Your idealism in desiring this to be the case shouldn't be confused with the existing laws.

America is anything but a failed state nor corrupt. Even during economic setbacks, it is still a leading nation. Again, another plain fact of reality.

Corruption is lawlessness, i.e. abusing copyright laws, and intellectual corruption is just saying anything no matter how mindless and over the top, i.e. "WTC buildings were demolished by the gov", "America and capitalism failed".

Copyrighted material is not "free information". Your idealism in desiring this to be the case shouldn't be confused with the existing laws.

All information is free.

"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899 ;-)

The criminal in the above story, "Kim Dotcon" is a mega rich guy, PROFITING off of other peoples property.

No he profitted from allowing users to upload their content.

The Tokamak configuration that is currently the best design for a nuclear fusion reactor is a Russian Design.

Tesla invented radio, AC current and half the modern conveniences used every day. Serbian genius undermined by decadent robber barons. Microsoft bought a large complex near Stalin's cottage to tap Russian programming talent which has made much of the code over the past fifteen years. I don't think Russian is any Mecca but we did benefit from free, world-class education courtesy of the Soviet system equal to any in the hard sciences.

Tesla sold his ideas to Westinghouse in the USA. Too bad he didn't learn how to manage money. He used his proceeds to live the high life.

"The only people wishing to reduce IP to no more value than a random string of bytes" - NumenTard

Since all of what you claim is "IP" can be converted to a string of bytes, you are doing nothing but jabbering incoherent, pointless, nonsense.

I said RANDOM string of bytes, which is obviously different than a specially arranged string of bytes, which represents the IP and work of someone.

To equate the two, is not only false according to reason but is counter to existing law for copyrighted material.

Why did Tesla have to move to the USA to develop his ideas?

Copyrighted material is not "free information". Your idealism in desiring this to be the case shouldn't be confused with the existing laws.

All information is free.

Not according to existing law. You can't distribute copyrighted material according to law. This means all information is not free. QED.

Copyrighted material is not "free information". Your idealism in desiring this to be the case shouldn't be confused with the existing laws.

All information is free.

Not according to existing law. You can't distribute copyrighted material according to law. This means all information is not free. QED.

How many of your thoughts are unique?
How many inventions are based on previous inventions?
We take small steps, no thought belongs to a single man and definitly not a bussiness or corporation.
But some humans are too stupid to realize this.

Copyrighted material is not "free information". Your idealism in desiring this to be the case shouldn't be confused with the existing laws.

All information is free.

Not according to existing law. You can't distribute copyrighted material according to law. This means all information is not free. QED.

How many of your thoughts are unique?
How many inventions are based on previous inventions?
We take small steps, no thought belongs to a single man and definitly not a bussiness or corporation.
But some humans are too stupid to realize this.

No one is copyrighting thoughts. They're copyrighting music, movies, books, and patenting ideas, all of which represent work and all of which may have value in the market, and all of which is private property. Even a third grader understands that the government must protect private property. What country are you from, that this concept escapes you?

No one is copyrighting thoughts. They're copyrighting music, movies, books, and patenting ideas

*tactical facepalm*

Copyrighted material is not "free information". Your idealism in desiring this to be the case shouldn't be confused with the existing laws.

All information is free.

Not according to existing law. You can't distribute copyrighted material according to law. This means all information is not free. QED.

How many of your thoughts are unique?
How many inventions are based on previous inventions?
We take small steps, no thought belongs to a single man and definitly not a bussiness or corporation.
But some humans are too stupid to realize this.

Michael Mann at one time refused to release his hockey stick analysis code for proprietary reasons. He expected some sort of property rights for his work. All scientific work should then be open source, no journals and no attribution.
How would that impact scientific egos?

Michael Mann at one time refused to release his hockey stick analysis code for proprietary reasons.

Of course he did, he was afraid some rich douchebag would claim it. Then let him prove it it is his idea, secondly let him find enough money to protect his idea. How many people are in the same situation that they have no money to patent/protect their ideas and are afraid some other rich douchebag will steal it? IP/Patents bull goes against nature of information and inhibits development/evolution of the human species, all because of greed.

Michael Mann at one time refused to release his hockey stick analysis code for proprietary reasons.

Of course he did, he was afraid some rich douchebag would claim it. Then let him prove it it is his idea, secondly let him find enough money to protect his idea. How many people are in the same situation that they have no money to patent/protect their ideas and are afraid some other rich douchebag will steal it? IP/Patents bull goes against nature of information and inhibits development/evolution of the human species, all because of greed.

You are starting to get the hint that if ideas are not protected, those ideas won't be expressed and no one benefits. But that is the socialist way, equality of misery.

How could anyone make money on Mann's hockey stick algorithms? I suspect he was afraid of being caught falsifying data.