Proving an aspect of the AB effect: when Newton's Third Law doesn't work

Hype, and bad reporting.
Newton's 3rd says that momentum is conserved. The "effect" is a phase shift, not a change in momentum. So, if the electron did feel a force, that would be a violation of Newton's law. He showed that there is no violation, the opposite of what the article says.

Is this "off the top of the head" type of reporting? Sure would rather get a review of what is found out a day or two later with accuracy than up to the minute fantasies. Physics.org_fantacies

Ah thanks for that LearmSceince (I had to try and spell that name 3 times before I got it righ... wrong). I went 0_o while reading this article, but I hadn't heard of the Aharonov-Bohm Effect, and the article didn't bother to explain itself, so I didn't want to outright dismiss it. Now I'll go look it up. Well, I would have done that anyway I guess.

This author needs to go work for NewScientist. They'd appreciate her skills there:P. Misleading title, misleading article, and borderline wrong "facts". Yup, definitely NS material.

Non-causal action-at-distance in the experiment implies the existence of quantum forces that are not operative through space and time. The non-locality of a single electron confirms that physical matter has both universal and particular aspects. An atom is the intimate coherence of these two fundamental characteristics common to all physical phenomena.

This is not consistent with linear causality either in the Newtonian or Relativity sense. The continuous field concept in the sense of matter embedded in a preconceived a priori space-time is faulty. Einstein himself wrote: I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be based on the field concept, that is, on continuous structures. Then nothing remains of my entire castle in the sky, including the theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of modern physics. (In a letter to Michele Besso in 1954, the year before he died.) In a discontinuous universe a different picture emerges that is consistent with the evidence and with common sense.

Planck's constant indicates a discontinuity in the synchronous projection of particulate matter as in a cosmic movie. The electromagnetic rainbow is sliced across it entire breadth with the recurrent projection of each frame. EM radiation comes to us as a discontinuous series of pulses. The universal component of independently projected atoms regulates their synchronous projection in a series of independent still space frames linked up by light. All relative motion is a series of quantum jumps between these discrete still particle frames. Light is the only activity within each space frame and it is quantized by each space frame, along with space and time. Light comes from inside atoms and has a universal relationship to each atom, accounting for its universal velocity. So light itself defines space. Where there is no light, there is a black hole in space. And obviously physical effects can not be transmitted through the integrated fabric of space-time faster than light if it defines space.

This requires that Newtons Third Law does not apply in a continuous way to quantum events measured over short periods of time, because there is a primary interval of time associated with the synchronous projection of each atomic space frame. Successive space frames are discontinuously assimilated from an integrated timeless quantum frame (called the Void) by the universal characteristic of matter. The Void is a spatially indeterminate energy field orthogonal to the integrated fabric of space-time that we perceive as continuous even though matter is synchronously oscillating between particulate Form and its energy equivalent in the Void. In this way sub-atomic particles remain implicitly and timelessly correlated. So do all atoms. All relative particle action takes place via the integrating quantum frame, called the Void, and this is synchronously timeless.

Relative motions introduce synchronous distortions as a result of relative space frame skipping with a corresponding accumulation of quantum energy equivalents in the Void. This accounts for relativistic effects but also introduces a small family of quantum forces, since accumulated energy must at some point find expression on the space frame side of the movie. These quantum effects are not transmitted as a force through space-time. They can only manifest synchronously with the projection of each space frame, and this is inconsistent with Newtons Third Law on a quantum scale. A new quantum-relativity emerges naturally that also accounts for gravitation. This offers a new and more meaningful methodology to the physical and biological sciences. There is more at www.cosmic-mindreach.com.

I have to support weewilly's opinion. Furthemore, I don't understand, why the AB effect is not considered as a force effect. The electron is moving just by action of force - or not? And outside of solenoid is magnetic field too, as the magnetic field is sourceless, its must remain closed. This experiment just shows, the DeBroglie wave affects large area of vacuum, surrounding the particle, that's all. Does the AB effect work with torroid, where the magnetic field remains fully closed inside of coil?

BTW Here's the original article, containing the scheme of experiment.

http://arxiv.org/...2428.pdf

Despite of poor and missleading interpretation in media it's quite nice and well arranged experiment, demonstrating the fundamental aspects of deBroglie wave, which is surrounding the moving particle at the distance, like the fish, swiming fastly beneath the water surface. No wonder, here's no time delay, because this wave (which is spreading by the speed od light) anticipates the actual particle location.

http://superstrun...wing.gif

Put it this way. If this really violated conservation of momentum, it wouldn't be simply casually mentioned in obscure literature here and there over the years. Rather, large armies of scientists would be screaming and pulling their hair out. They aren't, so it doesn't.... (probably)

The important question seems to be whether the phase shift changes the momentum of the electron. We need to consider the wave equation of the charged particle.

The phase was originally unaffected, but then without force but through the action of magnetic vector potentials, the phase was made to change. If the phase of the electron has changed, it seems sure that the momentum of the electron was, at the very least, momentarily affected.

In the case of the magnetic Aharanov-Bohm effect, it is clear and experimentally verfified that absolutely no force is required to change the phase of surrounding electrons. For instance, a transfomer or electric motor is often shielded so as not to produce large magnetic fields outside the enclosure, however, the magnetic vector potentials are a very fundamental force which do not decay at the same rate as the field.

Where the classical magnetic field has faded to zero, the magnetic vector potentials still exist and change the phase of charged particles. It seems clear that these vector potentials will interact most strongly with transition metals, especially those with only a single valence electron such as copper, silver and gold.

In addition, a highly permeable metal such as nickel will surely endure a change in electronic state. Where our biochemistry is guided by a complex interplay of electron transfer, particularly between transition metals, it begs the question, what effect do the magnetic vectors produce in the real world?

..."absolutely no force is required to change the phase of surrounding electrons"... by the same way, like absolutely no force is required to change the phase of light beam, for example by inserting of half-wave resonator into its path.

Or not? Can be some action, which influents the inertial reality be ever done without exertion of energy, i.e. some inertial force along certain path?

Momentum and energy are conserved on the quantum scale. It's just a matter of considering a 4-vector and an uncertainty principle.

Ragtime: think of moving something from one place to another on a horizontal surface. Potential energy is the same before and after; kinetic energy is the same (zero) before and after. In the quantum world, you can stop there. In the macro world, consider a frictionless surface and a mechanism which expends energy to start the block moving and then recovers the energy when breaking.

templeghost: Look at the effects of an MRI scan. No side effects whatsoever.

I thought lightheadedness, a metallic taste, nausea and seeing 'lightning' were side effects.

Has anyone conducted a study to see if multiple MRI scans increase the risk of rare blood cancers?

Why not start with the records of atheletes who frequently have MRI scans for sports related injuries?

They have absolutley no conception of what they are doing! Ask the people who work around intense magnetic fields what fantasies they tend to enjoy, you might be surprised how powerful the side effects are.