Nature and Man Jointly Cook Arctic

January 2, 2008 By SETH BORENSTEIN , AP Science Writer

An iceberg floats in a bay off Ammassalik Island, Greenland in this July 17, 2007 file photo. A new study found that natural causes as well as global warming are to blame for recent dramatic Arctic warming. (AP Photo/John McConnico, file)

(AP) -- There's more to the recent dramatic and alarming thawing of the Arctic region than can be explained by man-made global warming alone, a new study found. Nature is pushing the Arctic to the edge, too.

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• jburchel - Jan 04, 2008
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  Sounds like backpedaling by the rabid global warming wackos in the "scientific community". How about this: "Nature doesn't need or even really notice man for the most part, and the earth has warmed and cooled drastically, many, many times, before mankind ever graced this planet."
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• DrPhysics - Jan 05, 2008
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  Circular logic involved here. They include 'man-made global warming' in the argument even though they haven't proven that yet. Again, the researcher is a 'meteorologist' (AKA a climatologist). They are unqualified to comment on cause. They are weathermen ..... they can can only report on events, and then VERY inaccurately ;-)
  
  Tonight .... a full roast beef on the BBQ ... medium rare. Who's in?
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• AlexJ - Jan 06, 2008
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  Apparently, this doesn't acknowledge that climate models have already predicted changes in atmospheric heat transport as one consequence of global warming, along with snow & ice feedbacks. Some of the details aren't very clear, but the assumption made by some that this aspect of rapid warming in the Arctic is mostly natural seems unjustified. Some discussion by a research climatologist (which isn't the same as a meteorologist, "DrPhysics" - there are important differences between the study of short-term weather flux and global climate change):
  http://www.realcl...-papers/
  
  Jburchel, some hint at http://understandit.org , particularly #'s 5 & 6.
  
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• AlexJ - Jan 06, 2008
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  Follow-up to previous post: Or http://understand...ress.com
  
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