Global warming pollution increases 3 percent

September 25, 2008

(AP) -- International scientists say worldwide man-made emissions of carbon dioxide - the main gas that causes global warming - jumped 3 percent from 2006 to 2007



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NotParker
Sep 25, 2008

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CO2 is plant food. It is not pollution.

Did you know that if CO2 ppm drops below 150 all plant life will die?
GrayMouser
Sep 25, 2008

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CO2 is plant food. It is not pollution.

Did you know that if CO2 ppm drops below 150 all plant life will die?


You got that right. No CO2, no plants.
MikeB
Sep 25, 2008

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CO2 is not pollution. I am almost done with physorg... this sort of propaganda is not conducive to science.
mikiwud
Sep 26, 2008

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If CO2 ("the main gas that causes global warming")has gone up 3%,why has the temperature gone down?!!!
Baby Polar Bear, "mummy if global warming is killing us,why am I so f---ing cold!"
GIR
Sep 26, 2008

Rank: 3.9 / 5 (11)
I'm gonna sing the doom song!

%u266B%u266ADooooom di dum doom doomey doom di dum DOOOOOOOOM%u266A%u266B
Velanarris
Sep 26, 2008

Rank: 3.3 / 5 (14)
If we stop countering silly articles, they'll all get 5'ed then other less informed readers will start picking up the gospel of AGW and CO2. Stay the course.
Bazz
Sep 26, 2008

Rank: 2.4 / 5 (10)
Co2 is considered to be the main driver of climate change.If thats propagated good, its considered true.

Mikiwud ,temperatures are going up.

Gir is freaking cool.

Vellanarris, i dont think you have proven anything yet to counter my arguments.

Tell me how the conspiracy works again.

If you dont like propaganda dont propagate.
Velanarris
Sep 26, 2008

Rank: 3 / 5 (10)
Co2 is considered to be the main driver of climate change.If thats propagated good, its considered true.

Mikiwud ,temperatures are going up.

Gir is freaking cool.

Vellanarris, i dont think you have proven anything yet to counter my arguments.

Tell me how the conspiracy works again.

If you dont like propaganda dont propagate.


Nice, very nice.

CO2 isn't a main driver of climate change. That is clearly outlined here:http://www.junksc...enhouse/

Please read.
Excalibur
Sep 26, 2008

Rank: 2.1 / 5 (7)
CO2 is plant food. It is not pollution.

Did you know that if CO2 ppm drops below 150 all plant life will die?

Did you know that CO2, in the 7-10% range, is an asphyxiant?
Excalibur
Sep 26, 2008

Rank: 3 / 5 (8)
Co2 is considered to be the main driver of climate change.If thats propagated good, its considered true.

Mikiwud ,temperatures are going up.

Gir is freaking cool.

Vellanarris, i dont think you have proven anything yet to counter my arguments.

Tell me how the conspiracy works again.

If you dont like propaganda dont propagate.


Nice, very nice.

CO2 isn't a main driver of climate change. That is clearly outlined here:http://www.junksc...enhouse/

Please read.
Still quoting junk science, I see. Try reading the real thing.
Excalibur
Sep 26, 2008

Rank: 2.3 / 5 (8)
If CO2 ("the main gas that causes global warming")has gone up 3%,why has the temperature gone down?!!!
Baby Polar Bear, "mummy if global warming is killing us,why am I so f---ing cold!"
Do you make this garbage up as you go along: or, do you just mimic others?
Velanarris
Sep 26, 2008

Rank: 3.8 / 5 (9)
CO2 is plant food. It is not pollution.

Did you know that if CO2 ppm drops below 150 all plant life will die?

Did you know that CO2, in the 7-10% range, is an asphyxiant?


Yeah that's about 7000 ppm far outside of the range of human contribution.

GrayMouser
Sep 26, 2008

Rank: 3.2 / 5 (9)
It's interesting that they vilify CO2 as "the main gas that causes global warming" when it is a minor greenhouse gas.

Try reading Climate Confusion by Dr. Roy Spencer. It's simple enough (no math) for a majority of the Physorg readers.
mikiwud
Sep 27, 2008

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Excalibur:-
I go on recorded and reported MEASURED temperatures NOT Playstation predictions.
The rest is just to egg-on Warmists with no sense of humour.
deepsand
Sep 27, 2008

Rank: 1 / 5 (5)
CO2 is plant food. It is not pollution.

Did you know that if CO2 ppm drops below 150 all plant life will die?
Irrelevant.

The point is that ANY compound can have various effects; simply picking a particular one that seems to support your cause is dishonest.

Shame on your & those of your kind.
Did you know that CO2, in the 7-10% range, is an asphyxiant?


Yeah that's about 7000 ppm far outside of the range of human contribution.

deepsand
Sep 27, 2008

Rank: 2.4 / 5 (7)
Excalibur:-
I go on recorded and reported MEASURED temperatures NOT Playstation predictions.
The rest is just to egg-on Warmists with no sense of humour.
What you "go on" is carefully selected data that seems to support your desired conclusion.

Any idiot can play that game.
Velanarris
Sep 27, 2008

Rank: 3.7 / 5 (6)
CO2 is plant food. It is not pollution.

Did you know that if CO2 ppm drops below 150 all plant life will die?
Irrelevant.

The point is that ANY compound can have various effects; simply picking a particular one that seems to support your cause is dishonest.

Shame on your & those of your kind.
Did you know that CO2, in the 7-10% range, is an asphyxiant?


Yeah that's about 7000 ppm far outside of the range of human contribution.



Deepsand I don't see your reply, I do see you gave me a 1, and I'm curious as to why?
gragg
Sep 27, 2008

Rank: 1 / 5 (4)
Wow, I am amazed by how much time some of you spend on advertising their point of view on this blog. I guess Velanarris might be one of the best with, what, 20 comments per day? All very elaborate. You could make a fortune with that.

There is some debate about peer review. The AGW contrarians could make their point stronger by publishing theirs views (which are perfectly fine, any debate needs to have more than one standpoint) where the "conspiraceous" majority actually reads them. Webpages like this one or junkscience.com might not be the way.

Interestingly, not even on ArXiv.org, which is an impartial and not peer reviewed, but highly regarded research paper server, can you easily find anything disputing AGW (I searched for a while but did not see anything). Why would that be?

I am somewhat impressed by the stamina and numbers that some of you show off with, but could you not use this energy more wisely? That is, if your intention is really to scientifically represent an alternative standpoint, and not just to ramble in virtual discussion forums.

Having said this, I should also get out of here...
deatopmg
Sep 27, 2008

Rank: 3 / 5 (6)
deepsand: note 7% = 70,000 ppm not 7,000
Velanarris
Sep 27, 2008

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Interestingly, not even on ArXiv.org, which is an impartial and not peer reviewed, but highly regarded research paper server, can you easily find anything disputing AGW (I searched for a while but did not see anything). Why would that be?
I'd guess this would be because arxiv doesn't have any papers pertaining to the topic whatsoever. Neither AGW nor non-AGW papers are on those servers from what I could see.
andiprama
Sep 27, 2008

Rank: 2.1 / 5 (7)
Global warming, as consequences from climate change, is common in 5000 years period of earth's cycle. As result, some ancient continents such as Lemuria and Atlantis were sunk under the sea.

Facing in our current climate change, widespread pollution due to massive industry's productivity and lifestyles created greenhouse gases emission. Thus, it will effect much worst scenario of earth's nature itself and without any doubt, massive pollutions leads to earth's catastrophe sooner than expected.

It could be possible that another continents will sink to sea no matter where it is.

Lemurian and Atlantean were sunk, great ancient emperor such as Pharaoh in Egypt, Caesar in Roman were vanished. The question is, who will ruled under the sea in nowadays "established industrialized empire"?

Andi Prama
gragg
Sep 27, 2008

Rank: 3.5 / 5 (4)
Velanarris: ArXiv is more aimed at other topics but there are several papers on this issue, if they touch physical causes or computer model related questions. I just saw that if you type in "climate change", the second paper found (Padget and Dunning-Davies) is something you would probably welcome. Thats good, at least you can associate names and affiliation with their research.
GrayMouser
Sep 27, 2008

Rank: 3 / 5 (4)
Velanarris: ArXiv is more aimed at other topics but there are several papers on this issue, if they touch physical causes or computer model related questions. I just saw that if you type in "climate change", the second paper found (Padget and Dunning-Davies) is something you would probably welcome. Thats good, at least you can associate names and affiliation with their research.


I prefer the 3rd paper (by J. S. Pethkar, A. M. Selvam) with the following:


Numerical models for simulation and prediction of atmospheric flows are subject to deterministic chaos and give unrealistic solutions. Deterministic chaos is a direct consequence of round-off error growth in iterative computations.

Noein
Sep 27, 2008

Rank: 2.7 / 5 (7)
If we stop countering silly articles, they'll all get 5'ed then other less informed readers will start picking up the gospel of AGW and CO2. Stay the course.


The only gospel that's regularly preached is that of big oil's Church of Global Warming Denialism, one of the fastest-growing religious cults in the world.
Velanarris
Sep 28, 2008

Rank: 3.7 / 5 (6)
Velanarris: ArXiv is more aimed at other topics but there are several papers on this issue, if they touch physical causes or computer model related questions. I just saw that if you type in "climate change", the second paper found (Padget and Dunning-Davies) is something you would probably welcome. Thats good, at least you can associate names and affiliation with their research.


So effectively you've handed the non-AGW group on this server another good resource, our thanks.
Bazz
Sep 28, 2008

Rank: 2.3 / 5 (6)
Almost any dissenting view can be created,but that doesnt make it at all convincing.Altough there are many unknowing people who dont know how to differentiate between good and bad information will believe in it.

Any dissenting view that doesnt fit in with the majority of information available are suspect and should be treated that way, only if it can fit in a coherent manner it has any potential to become convincing.

If this is not true we might as well believe in fairies, Nessie or The Flying Spagetti Monster.
deepsand
Sep 28, 2008

Rank: 3.7 / 5 (7)
CO2 is plant food. It is not pollution.

Did you know that if CO2 ppm drops below 150 all plant life will die?
Irrelevant.

The point is that ANY compound can have various effects; simply picking a particular one that seems to support your cause is dishonest.

Shame on your & those of your kind.
Did you know that CO2, in the 7-10% range, is an asphyxiant?


Yeah that's about 7000 ppm far outside of the range of human contribution.



Deepsand I don't see your reply, I do see you gave me a 1, and I'm curious as to why?
The point is that ANY compound can have various effects; simply picking a particular one that seems to support your cause is dishonest.
gragg
Sep 28, 2008

Rank: 5 / 5 (3)
So effectively you've handed the non-AGW group on this server another good resource, our thanks.


My Pleasure. Maybe I was too fast with my conclusions...
Velanarris
Sep 28, 2008

Rank: 4.2 / 5 (5)
Almost any dissenting view can be created,but that doesnt make it at all convincing.Altough there are many unknowing people who dont know how to differentiate between good and bad information will believe in it.

Any dissenting view that doesnt fit in with the majority of information available are suspect and should be treated that way, only if it can fit in a coherent manner it has any potential to become convincing.

If this is not true we might as well believe in fairies, Nessie or The Flying Spagetti Monster.


So basically you're saying, anyone who doesn't believe what everyone else believes is suspect?

That's more than a little ethically wrong.

The point is that ANY compound can have various effects; simply picking a particular one that seems to support your cause is dishonest.


You said it, not us.
MikeB
Sep 28, 2008

Rank: 3.4 / 5 (5)
OK, let's see... it took CO2 about 100 years to increase approximately 100 PPM. so it'll take about another 69,600 years to reach dangerous levels. Hmmmm, we must do something immediately.
GrayMouser
Sep 28, 2008

Rank: 5 / 5 (2)
If this is not true we might as well believe in fairies, Nessie or The Flying Spagetti Monster.


Don't you be diss'ing the Flying Spagetti Monster.
Bazz
Sep 29, 2008

Rank: 2 / 5 (4)
I would like to apologise to anyone believing in FSM, it was unfair to equate them to fairy- and lochness monster believers.

The pastafarian philosophy is well documented and is obviously a great tool to see things better, and live a better life.

I have been touched by him recently and will live my life according to the eight "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts".
Roach
Sep 30, 2008

Rank: 5 / 5 (1)
Ok, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say regardless of AGW this is a significant problem that needs to be addressed.

The large increase from developing nations is predominately coal. Coal emmisions include a lot of heavy metals that later deposit in oceans and on land not neccisarily in the country of origin.

While personally I don't buy the whole CO2 will kill us stuff, Mercury and H2S might give us a run for our money.

I guess in light of the Global Warming Law trivial theories like "lead causes brain damage" and "H2S causes acidic rain" are unimportant since they are unproven...

For all the AGW gang, This is what I mean when I tell you that you don't have to prove AGW to reduce pollution. Use proven consequences. Especially if you want to see quick reactions. I'm all for reducing pollution to reduce H2S, Mercury and Lead emmisions.
Velanarris
Sep 30, 2008

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Ok, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say regardless of AGW this is a significant problem that needs to be addressed.

The large increase from developing nations is predominately coal. Coal emmisions include a lot of heavy metals that later deposit in oceans and on land not neccisarily in the country of origin.

While personally I don't buy the whole CO2 will kill us stuff, Mercury and H2S might give us a run for our money.

I guess in light of the Global Warming Law trivial theories like "lead causes brain damage" and "H2S causes acidic rain" are unimportant since they are unproven...

For all the AGW gang, This is what I mean when I tell you that you don't have to prove AGW to reduce pollution. Use proven consequences. Especially if you want to see quick reactions. I'm all for reducing pollution to reduce H2S, Mercury and Lead emmisions.


Actually, most of it is from industrial process, not really coal fired power plants.

The exception to that would probably be Australia and New Zealand where they sit on almost a purely coal fired energy infrastructure.
Roach
Oct 30, 2008

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Coal is different though, most industial processes just make waste, Coal plants, especially a large number of large unregulated plants in developing nations trying to fuel an infant industial boom, dump most of their polluntants directly to the jetstream to be deposited later.
as far as where it comes from, check the maps and see where the mercury in rainfall concentrations in the US, versus cheap coal use are. Hint:overlays of the maps wouldn't really be neccisary.
http://www.usgs.gov/mercury/
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