Could life have started in a lump of ice?

I would think ice would be paralyzing to any formation, organization or movement of primordial life.

I find his statement/warning that the ice can form biological patterns and not every preserved pattern may have been evidence of life much more groundbreaking.

There is no line between dead and alive so potentially life could start anywhere.

By AWT the vacuum is formed by foam, the live organisms are foam and the life has appeared as an oily foam at the surface of ancient ocean (compare the Oparin's coacervate hypothesis).

The reverse micelles were grown by osmosis, the were shaken, divided into smaller ones and they competed for surfactants, which enabled them to grow faster. At the moment, some droplet catched the precursor of surfactants, which enabled them to growth even faster, they've had win the evolution. By such way, the life origin was of evolutionary character from its very beginning.

The hypothesis of life formation inside ice hypothesis has some relation to intelligent behavior of water clusters, but from my perspective its kinetic lacks the necessary speed, which is required for sufficent evolution during rather brief period of terraformation.

There is no line between dead and alive so potentially life could start anywhere.

The life formation is the concentrated form of causual energy wave spreading via transversal waves, so its closely related to surfaces, the foamy phase in particular. Therefore the formation of living matter in bulk phase is rather improbable from such perspective.

Living matter is made by dead matter.So there is no living matter.

The matter, which never passed by death cannot be called a dead matter. We have a sort of chicken-egg paradox here.

For example, the droplets of oil are collecting surfactants molecules from solution proactivelly like food, while moving, growing and dividing itself into smaller ones occasionally. They're tactile, interacting with surfactant concentration.

http://focus.aps..../v15/st7

Why we cannot call this system a live?

Man we can call whatever a live but from the universal point of view there is no dead or alive man. If you think there is man and that matters anyhow than man you are on a wrong way man.

And thats why we don't get it man. Cause we think we are alive. Cause when you think so, your style of thinking is very different man. But when you proclaim yourself as a dead matter man, you get another dimension into your thinking bubble man.

from the universal point of view there is no dead or alive

The question is, whether such insightfull universal point of view can have something with observable reality, if we can apply it to any particular case...;-) Which testable predictions follows from such insight? If none, why we could care about it at all?

So stop dummy babbling and try to focus:

Why we cannot call the system above described a live? Correct answer would give you a clue, what the living system is or not by distinct and universal way.

Man because you are in the universe not universe in you. Thats why it matters. And observable reality is just a part of the universe. You are saying like you are so powerful that you can develop a meaning to the universe man. If universe doesnt have a meaning man then of course there is no meaning. But its true that you can find meanings and defined things from your perspective. But if so its only your perspective and nobody elses. And if so can you connect that kind of code in your brain with the universal meaning?Man sorry but you can not. True that its a part of the universal meaning but if there is no meaning then its just a part of the universe and not a part of the universal meaning. I mean cant you really get t? All you are able to do is to puzzle entropy into forms that your body allows you. Thats all. And thats a live. But from that point of view everything is alive also. Cause its mass if you defined mass who is giving you a chance to do so. Don't you get it? When you read this i bet you see words and meanings. But what i see man are particles which i am able to puzzle into 'words'. Man.

And if there was a bigbang man your way of life already started before the bigbang man.

And if you think man that universe is dead and you are alive man you will never find the universal theory. I mean if you dont get this man you dont get anything. Or lets tell like this. To be alive you need something dead around you. And if so its only you 'alive' who can define meanings to anything of you and dead part. So tell me man how can a dead thing around you develop any meanings if its not alive?

Man because you are in the universe not universe in you. because you are in the universe not universe in you

How did you come into it? By AWT the distant quasars are forming the outer surface of Universe, CMB is Hawking radiation of outer surface of Universe, and so on. Inside of infinitelly nested system of density fluctuations here's no inside or outside from sufficiently distant perspective.

Feynman: "There's plenty of room at the bottom"
Zephir: "Everything is relative, this rule is no exception, because relativity is relative too."

So what i think the best we can do is to explode the whole universe. Then no doubt universe will get a meaning. But only if someone in the next formed universe will figure that out man.

Man because you are in the universe not universe in you. because you are in the universe not universe in you

How did you come into it? By AWT the distant quasars are forming the outer surface of Universe, CMB is Hawking radiation of outer surface of Universe, and so on. Inside of infinitelly nested system of density fluctuations here's no inside or outside from sufficiently distant perspective.

Feynman: "There's plenty of room at the bottom"
Zephir: "Everything is relative, this rule is no exception."

Man more than half of those words you are saying here have no meaning man.And if you think you understand them man you are blind.So more of them you combine man there will be even more no meaning. Universal theory is so simple man that there must be no more than five words in there man. And your AWT man has so many words man that with its entropy could explode the whole universe man.

OK, here's an easy hint, how to distinguish a livin' matter from the nonliving one:

The oily dropplets above described can concume the surfactant molecules, but they cannot rid of them. So that their "metabolism" will stop less or more latelly with no mercy.

Try to propose some nonliving system, which can retreat matter by analogous way, like living organisms - and I would consider your vague claims. But not before.

The problem of yours is, vague thinking will always lead to vague conclusions - so you can fall easilly into belief, the whole Universe is behaving exactly like you. I'm calling it an internal (self-referencing) perspective, which leads into tautologies undeniably.

"The oily dropplets above described can concume the surfactant molecules, but they cannot rid of them. So that their "metabolism" will stop less or more latelly with no mercy."

But so what man. You could describing this forever man. This and that and this and that. But it doesnt matter man. None cares except you man. Not even fucking animals man. Actually its you who are denying philosophy but at the same time its only you who are doing a philosophy man cause 'god' gave you human harddisk-expresing connection. Man do you get it? Im not saying there is no universal theory. Im just saying that a definition of your point of view is not the one required to maybe understand an universal theory if its somewhere. Thats all man. And if you dont understand the basic relation between the universal point of view and your 'humanly alive' pointo of view then you will never realize it.

The problem of yours is, vague thinking will always lead to vague conclusions - so you can fall easilly into belief, the whole Universe is behaving exactly like you. I'm calling it an internal (self-referencing) perspective, which leads into tautologies undeniably.

Man but its you who is trying to play god not me man. Im just trying to be the universe. So to project that into our case. You are trying to convince me so hard that i have a fucking meaning. And lets say if you would then yes you would become god. But man its me who knows there is no god so i wont give you that medal man.

more than half of those words you are saying here have no meaning

Prove it. My dog can say the very same about whatever, what I'll tell him. He isn't even able to understood a meaning of trivial Pythagoras formula. Should it serve as an evidence, the Pythagoras formula has no meaning? Of course not.

So we should always distinguish the situations, when information has no meaning from objective reasons - or just because the listener is too silly to comprehend it.

Without it I can say easily, the claim "what you are saying here have no meaning" can be interpeted as "I'm to stupid to understand the meaning of it"...

Maybe its not only definitions and answers man. What if questions are not right man?What if there is no such thing as question man? What if question has no meaning from the universal point of view? What would you ask 'the universal theory if she was a man' if questions dont have a meaning man? Can you draw that picture in your mind which im talking about man? If you cant man then there is no way you ccould draw yourself an universal theory man.

more than half of those words you are saying here have no meaning

Prove it. My dog can say the very same about whatever, what I'll tell him. He isn't even able to understood a meaning of trivial Pythagoras formula. Should it serve as an evidence, the Pythagoras formula has no meaning? Of course not.

So we should always distinguish the situations, when information has no meaning from objective reasons - or just because the listener is too silly to comprehend it.

Without it I can say easily, the claim "what you are saying here have no meaning" can be interpeted as "I'm to stupid to understand the meaning of it"...

Man i think you just prove my point. You should see by now that I have nothing to prove btw. And what means prove btw? Is prove just prove or is there again a parade of words to define prove? And then again parades of words to define that parade?

And stop talking about we man. Not only that you dont know us, you dont even know yourself man. I mean man, why dont you relax and close your eyes and then think about nothing and then tell me something i havent heard yet man? Maybe just two letters man? To me man, you will make more sense.

Why not, but prove it. Prove it. Prove it...

Every claim without proof is just a tautology without true value. Just an existence of implication (a causality gradient, which defines the time arrow) is what gives an temporal character to your claim. The claim without reasoning is just an chaotic babling. This is simply the way, by which Aether is working. The chaotic motion of molecules inside of gas is invisible for us. Only the places, where the motion of molecules is organized into gradient are part of observable reality.

So at the moment, when you'll not include the words like "BECAUSE" into your claims, the true value of such claims cannot be tested and reproduced by others and as such they've no true value at all, being untestable in real time.

The predicate logic is based on implications. Try to learn always support your claims by some relevant evidence or implication, which supports your claim.

If you want a proof man go take a look into your dogs eyes man. If im wrong man he will say a word man. And i bet all i have man that your dog is brighter than you man. But i agree that you are smarter man. And thats where your prove come from man. Your smartness. But no one cares man. Even your body man.

i bet all i have man that your dog is brighter than you man.

Why not. Just prove it...;-)

By AWT the claims itself aren't important at all, because they cannot be validated. What is important are the logical connections of these claims. The theory is logical structure, where evidences/proofs are more important, then the postulates or theorems.

Why not, but prove it. Prove it. Prove it...

Every claim without proof is just a tautology without true value. Just an existence of implication (a causality gradient, which defines the time arrow) is what gives an temporal character to your claim. The claim without reasoning is just an chaotic babling. This is simply the way, by which Aether is working. The chaotic motion of molecules inside of gas is invisible for us. Only the places, where the motion of molecules is organized into gradient are part of observable reality.

So at the moment, when you'll not include the words like "BECAUSE" into your claims, the true value of such claims cannot be tested and reproduced by others and as such they've no true value at all, being untestable in real time.

The predicate logic is based on implications. Try to learn always support your claims by some relevant evidence or implication, which supports your claim.

And man you are talking like we already realized the universal theory man. I mean do you ever actually read what you type?

..do you ever actually read what you type?

How is it relevant to subject? If you can see some logical inconsistency in my claims, just to show us by the same way, like me.

i bet all i have man that your dog is brighter than you man.

Why not. Just prove it...;-)

I dont need to man. Im dead. Dead things dont need to prove anything to be dead. But as long as you dont prove me that i have a meaning that long man there will be no meaning. And man your dog is dead also, but he might move.

..do you ever actually read what you type?

How is it relevant to subject? If you see some logical inconsistency in my claims, just to show us by the same way, like me.

It is man. And i already told you. Cause you read what you type and i adore what i type. It was a tricky question man. But of course, you didnt get it.

Im dead.

Why? How? Prove it.

It's easy to claim something. The fun part begins at the moment, you should prove such claim. We should agree, until you prove, you're dead, whole rest of causality chain of your claims has its true value undefined.

So, how do you want to prove, you're dead?

It is man. And i already told you.

You can repeat it ten-times without problem. But it still doesn't replaces the proof. This is the same problem: a selreferenced claims without implication. A tautologies.

The logic based on tautologies has no true value defined. With such approach you could invent something interesting only occasionally.

And there is no subjects in here man. Only objects. I mean you really dont get it that the prove you want from me is actually you?

Whatever you type man is my proof man. So simple. And of course if you dont have a point of view that i have man you just cant get it. And thats the case between us man.And you call yourself alive. Yea maybe in the next universe.Hm, now i also think man that you scientist are even more stupid than religionists.

you really dont get it that the prove you want from me is actually you

Nope, show us the complete logic of such proof. Don't talk in fairy tales under hope, somebody else will understand their enigma.

It's just you, who is claiming here - so we should expect an evidence of it from you, not from me. Don't you think?

Whatever you type man is my proof man. So simple

Why not. Why? Can you prove it?

Maybe it's simple, so we should expect a simple proof. Without it it's just another tautology.

You're wasted case, man. You cannot even write a single sentence by reproducible and testable way. The dealing with wasted cases is wasted time for me.

Man our duologue is a proof. Its just you too blind to see it. And of course you are too blind to see it. You should know that by now that god havent install you all the necessary particles to realize the universe. And yes my friend that duologue we have here is by now the only universal theory. I know it hurts. My dead body also.

Whatever you type man is my proof man. So simple

Why not. Why? Can you prove it?

Maybe it's simple, so we should expect a simple proof. Without it it's just another tautology.

Cant you see that all you can do is puzzle entropy? And wasnt it you who defined the entropy? And cant you see that you just cant stop to puzzle that entropy? How come is it you then to ask me to prove you stupidity? Its not me who is defining that means puzzling entropy. Its you. So youll need to puzzle my proof yourself. And hey blind man. Thats exactly hat you are doing. Cheers.May i still help you somehow?

Man ive been gone through your words again man. I mean its funny.I mean if you cant see that you dont know what youre talking about then man you should really leave science forever man. And no offense man, but your way is just not the way to go.

Can't you see, the Moon is green?

Can such rhetorical question serve as a relevant proof of green color of Moon or whatever else?

A relevant proof consist of implication. And implication consist of antecedent and consequent related by conditional connective.

Without it you can babble everything abour everything out of control. Frankly, try to learn something basic about predicate and boolean logic, before trying to prove something here next times.

With such vague thinking you can always demonstrate, we cannot distinguish between live and dead matter, for example - but such proof will lack a relevancy as well. When you'll follow the rules of logic consistently, you will see, this fuzziness isn't so universal, as you probably believe.

Jesus man. A parade of puzzled entropy again. Do you ever stop? Or is it just humans who are alive like you are? Is that alive? Puzzling something till you die and then something else puzzle you?

Its also funny that closer you are the more insanely stupid you are going. Thats really a funny universal thing about the humans. But hey the more you know the bigger the entropy in your harddisk and now you fill your computer harddrive my friend. It will collapse.

And to answer the question of the article.Yes life could have started anywhere.

Nope, your view is biased. When you're claiming, the living matter doesn't differ from dead one, you can say easily, the electron doesn't differ from positron, the men from women, etc.

You simply forget the quantization, which introduces a groups into our reality. A certain group of living objects has some common properties, while the other hasn't by the same way, like the group of electron particles differs from positrons.

You should live with such perspective as well. For example, the life cannot evolve in vacuum or inside of Earth from quite distinct reasons.

And thats why i want to go to mars. Cause no one on this planet get it anyway. Damn not even partly.

By AWT no stance has universal validity. From inner perspective everything is relative, while from outer perspective everything is absolute. Unfortunatelly our Universe doesn't exhibit one of these perspectives exclusivelly. As I explained already, inside of nested Aether foam the inner and outer perspectives are in Maldacena duality because of omnidirectional energy spreading in many nested dimensions.

It means, an Universe is uncertain, but just up to certain limit, due the limited speed of information spreading. After all, this is why we can observe some reality at all.

Man again you are saying life, evolve, vaccum, inside, reasons, simply, biased, differ, easily, electron, men, women, and so on man. Man none of those words you understand. And you are forming me puzzles with them. Jesus man of course no way I could universally answer any of your questions man.

"claiming, the living matter doesn't differ from dead one" thats not a claim. Its you whos claiming that it does differ! I mean cant you really see a pattern of your own false thinking?

By AWT no stance has universal validity. From inner perspective everything is relative, while from outer perspective everything is absolute. Unfortunatelly our Universe doesn't exhibit one of these perspectives exclusivelly. As I explained already, inside of nested Aether foam the inner and outer perspectives are in Maldacena duality because of omnidirectional energy spreading in many nested dimensions.

It means, an Universe is uncertain, but just up to certain limit, due the limited speed of information spreading. After all, this is why we can observe some reality at all.

Man i really wish i could help you. Its obvious that your brain is AWT. Dont worry you are universal and very intresting. But the puzzles that comes out of your AWT man gives no meaning to anything on this planet man.

Just a tip man. Mirrors make wonders. In the spectrum of brightness. Good night.

...no one on this planet get it anyway..

While I can understand your stance perfectly, I can still consider it as an special intepretation of AWT - not very general one. By the same way, like the special relativity is special case of general relativity, or Everett's many world theory is special interpretation of quantum mechanics, etc.

Therefore I can expect, you'll able to intepret my stance as easily, as the stance of yours. The AWT learns people the plurality in thinking, but not vagueness: every stance has its own defined set of conditions / validity scope.

... the puzzles that comes out of your AWT man gives no meaning to anything on this planet..

Should we go to Mars together?..;-)

no way I could universally answer any of your questions man

"Universally" is too remote perspective for me. At the moment, you cannot derive a testable predictions by using of some particular intepretation, it remains uselless for people (including you).

For example, the testable prediction of AWT is, the origin of life is related to phase interface of foam, because the highest density of causal energy spreading is just here. Therefore the theory of life formation in ice is interesting, but not for terresterial life formation. It can become relevant for panspspermia hypothesis, for example. The dense core of comets can contain the supercooled phase of ice and it has a much more time for its evolution, then the terresterial life. So that the fact, the reactions proceeds slowly in ice isn't so crucial here.

http://findarticl...689/pg_2

Of course, the fact, ice under certain conditions produces "biomimetic forms" is very poor evidence of life formation in ice. Most of inorganic matter forms a crystals in the form of palm leaves, when condensing in proper conditions.

The true secret of ice is hidden in the behavior of water clusters, which can behave like living organisms, maintaining their structure and shape by somewhat tricky mechanism involving a quantum mirage phenomena. Such behavior would require a deep temperatures, when the water is behaving like complex polymer. But the water still must remain fluid, so such state is relevant just glassy watter hidden under deep pressure inside of comets and planetoids.

I can still consider the existence of such living matter an extremelly speculative, though. The Oparin's model of life formation works well for me.

Its obvious that your brain is AWT.

By AWT the neural network itself is a foam, which is behaving like effective simulator of Aether foam. The standing waves of electrochemical activity in brain are behaving like living organisms or quantum waves and they can condense and evolve independently. You can compare it to the Pribrams and Penrose models of quantum concioussness.

I get the feeling one of the two of you was stoned out of his mind.

You see man people are always full of complexes man. No doubt that if everyone was stoned, that would be a progress.Even in science.

I smell some acid coming from velvet :o

Looks like you scientists have big issues with drugs hehe.This is funny. But hey at least my puzzles make sense. And no i dont do drugs im just that bright. I see everything, even your foolish thinking.

And then you will realize like in 2273 that there is no meaning of the universe hehe so funny i already know that in 2008. Maybe someone will get a nobel prize cause he will be a 'scientist'.But hey my friends you dont need to be a scientist to realize that. All you need is an IQ of somewhere 5. But yes today no one on this planet has an IQ anymore.

And to reveal you a little secret. Ive stop talking with the humans for 10 years. Damn humans if you only knew what ive seen.If you knew i think you would all go numb by now.Cheers.

And yes, also drugs are a part of the universe. Therefor a part of the universal theory. And if they can influence your brain maybe they might be important.

Should we go to Mars together?..;-)

Yes

No man!I dont wanna hear about AWT on mars no more man! I just wanna live the universal theory on the red planet man!

pink,
The amount of sense you make is inversely proportionate to the number of posts you make.

Your not saying anything of substance,... if you are a joke, great we got it,... lets move on already! If not, then it appears the asylum has purchased a computer.

I think maybe the different structures of ices is not so relevant as the different ways that water molecules bunch up at different pressures and temperatures. Something started replicating eons ago and I tend to think it was soon after the ocean stopped boiling and probably at the bottom of the ocean - or deeper down in the new crust beside the spreading centres.

Ice from space would evaporate in the upper atmosphere.

Right who am I to question valvetpink, while valvetpink questions all the cosmologists?

A universal theory is possible as long as it involves the observer's a-priori conceptual framework, .. as long as it's about phenomenon.

Just remember as you type on your dad's computer,... that the core component of this machine, the transister, requires qm to understand it's operation, and this understanding applies not just to this phenomenon, but to all matter, it is universal.

I never said its not possible. What i said is that your point of view and your scientific attitude is or might be a blind road toward the universal theory. If im mistaken then youll sure prove me wrong. But by now you didnt so im waiting.And im not questioning anyone.

And i dont think you well understand a term universal theory. Cause if you would you would already know that there is no universal theory. But yes it is possible. Something, not necessarily universal theory. And if you think you know more than me to judge my posts then i dont know man. You are hopeless.

And i dont know why such a negative response toward my expressions. I came here to share my thoughts that ive been developing for fucking 10 years of insanity. I mean you should be grateful that im willing to share them with you. And you never know maybe one day i will babble out a sentence that will matter for something. Exploring universal theory is a fucking teamwork and not some egoistical road to pride and glory. So i tell you it is possible that we havent realize it yet cause we fucked up the planet instead of living in a paradise. It is possible and i bet we would have something more interesting by now than a cern collider.

And lets take a look at the hawkings book a brief theory of time. At the beginning he is stating that we dont know what we have upon our heads. And at the end of the book he is concluding that maybe we will never realize. So? What is then book about? How can be book about something we dont know? And i believe there are other books just the same, just not stating the thing at the beginning and concluding the thing at the end. And when i take a look at the world i see that stupid things always win. And they win cause they boost entropy more. So? Maybe a stupid thing boosted the entropy at the begging of 'our universe'?

And thats exactly your problem.Cause you scientist dont believe in stupid things. You have barriers in your head that denies you to at least try to observe things from the other point of view. And but of course you are denying all point of views with which you are not familiar or about which you have noting to tell about. But hey thats exactly where the progress is hiding his ass. Its true that you are universal but your point of view is definitely not.

And no im not typing on my dads computer. You see its so easy to be wrong.

And i have another tip for you. Try to read sartres nausea someday.Maybe youll discover another dimension of your thinking bubble.

So? What is then book about?

And let me answer myself.The book is about stephen hawking.

Lol, well those posts were more coherent and you used the word "man" only once. Is it your contention then that it is impossible even in principal to construct a consistent and universal theory? This would only be a model of reality compatible with our mental functioning and not a reproduction of reality it self,.. that's way a universal theory is possible although not existent yet.

And i have another tip for you. Try to read sartres nausea someday.Maybe youll discover another dimension of your thinking bubble.

Try reading the philosophy of the scientific method and knowledge, starting with Descartes, Liebniz, Hobbes, Lock, and especially Hume and Kant, .. you may like them more than the positivists.

So? What is then book about?

And let me answer myself.The book is about stephen hawking.

I've read that one some time ago,.. I don't recall what his point was, but I doubt that he said not possible in principal,... as I said everything within the relm of human interaction can be modeled intellectually and consistently within that scope, otherwise it would not be accessable to begin with.

Man was just a test man of how your scientific brain reacts man on a different word puzzles man. And please dont ask me questions i dont yet know what i know.Gotta go now will be back later.Stay well.

sartre is existentialist. and nothing positive in there;) and i think i have read enough.

,... for example in QM we model using probability distributions because this is what appears to us,... reality in and of itself, noumenal reality, his hidden from us because the mechanics of our minds are limited in it's methodology,... the form underwhich we understand reality is limited,... time, cause and effect, space,..(god, I hope I'm not competing with you)

sartre is existentialist. and nothing positive in there;) and i think i have read enough.

I realize that , but you seem to not care for the positivists attitude, so maybe Kant would be more rational on the subject of epistemology than Sartre.

you know whats the problem man. look. the more things you define the more questions you get. and you can question something only when something is defined. and what if your defining is wrong from the universal point of view? that automaticly implicates that you questions are wrong from the universal point of view in a term of meaning. that means what you are actually doing is exploring and defining universe from your point of view and not realizing universe from universal point of view. so the more you define the harder you puzzle things together universally. or lets ask do you think universal theory is universe plus something or just universe?

i mean if it is just universe then there is no universal theory. but if there is universe plus something is it right to call it universal theory?no. its something else. and thats exactly what you scientists are looking for. i also am looking for this. but im trying to picture it with feelings and not matematical models as they are obviously just the universe.

Or lets say one and uno gives the same meaning to something else. But those two objects are different from the universal point of view. So how is it possible that two different objects projects the same meaning to something else? That means meaning just occurs in your head while it 'transfers' from one object to another where those two object never universally poses that meaning. So what that means?

That means that if your road is right then different objects can poses same meanings. If so there is no way you will ever develop an universal theory. And if you are wrong that means there is no meanings. And that means there is no universal theory. I mean things arent that simple as they seem. So on your road best you can do is define your observable human threshold from your point of view. And if so you will never come out of the bubble. You wont even universally understand the bubble.

But those two objects are different from the universal point of view.

And if they are not different from the universal point of view. Then i dont know.Lets just say whatever.

Thats why the UFT is maybe not that stupid because it has no meaning but still produces the universe. While your theories have no meaning and doesnt produce the universe.Hehe just kidding. Or not.

Or you say something like one plus one is two. I mean is two really the same as one plus one? In matematics yes. But nowhere else my friends. So there is no matematics in universal theory. And if parts equals the whole do you really think it makes sense to explore the parts while they equals the whole? I dont know. I mean if its the same why exploring the same things then? I mean why exploring the parts of the universe if you already have the universe? If you cant go with your mind 'around' the universe there is no way you will ever type out the universal theory.

Which universal question are u trying to answer that that same answer will reflect the universal theory? I would love to hear that question. I mean i pay you 10 million dollars for that question.

Right now to me looks like there is no one even interested in the universal theory. But anyway its okay cause thats what you should be. An animal.

An in the other article they are searching for dimensions. I mean i cannot believe it really. Let me help you. There is as many dimensions as you will define to fit your universal model or a part of it or your definition of something else. I mean you still believe that you can universally discover an universal dimension? There is no such universal thing as dimensions so all of you who have anything to do with dimensions in your theory are riding a blind horse. I mean looks like only the bible can help you out of your problems scientists.

And thats why i can universally proclaim me as the brightest human on this planet. I realized, that with the less code(words, letters, numbers, particles, whatever) i operate in a relation with the universal theory the more my inner feeling is there. And what you claim is that humans are the most intelligent objects on the planet.Yes they are. But that intelligence is just a measurement of own hell. And yes we will kill everything, even each other. If brain were that big as the universe my friends, there would be no universe.

pink, posting in this area should be reserved for comments related directly to the article,.. start a thread over at the physX forums.

No worries. I have just finished my enterprise.;)And btw which area?Byebye.

comments related directly to the article

And thanks for proving my point!

go to www.physforum.com

You can start a topic or comment on existing ones.

Unfortunately, PhysOrg Forum is currently closed for maintenance?

Man why is it that everywhere i come they try to manipulate in me that feeling of a bubble?

I prepared something for you to demonstrate you something so you might easier picture the whole thing. This is especially for you who believe in numbers anyhow and also use numbers anyhow. But as we universally know by now numbers are the same as words so it applies also to those who use words in your 'codes' so the purpose is to demonstrate you with words and numbers cause with words you are familiar with so here we go.

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It would be nice if anyone knows if that could be enough for a nobel prize? Or maybe I have to contribute more to the universal theory?

And im sorry my english is bad as its not my first language but as i told you there will be no english language in the universal theory so thats why i didnt use english language. Its just something but since you understand our common point of view needs no 'thinking narrow blindness' defined language.

And what i think as the brightness human on earth i think we just made a really fascinating progress in our scientific enterprises. Maybe we have something to celebrate or maybe we just not.

And if you have asked me earlier my friends, maybe today would be in 1703.

And there are also two IQ's. One is humanly defined IQ and the other is universal IQ. To go to level 2 with your human body you need somewhere around 5 units of that universal IQ.

So where are you universal scientists and why not here? If you know the second brightest human on earth or if is it you please come here and tell me how you understand the universal enterprise.Dont be shy and hide in a hole now, its not a shame if you fail so much, together we will definitely accomplish our universal mission.

I just said the universal thoery

You think you have control!

And yes you just babbled a part of the universal theory!

But the more you believe in what you just said the closer NOT you are! This is amazing!

You see man, there is so many universal meanings and you dont need any bossons, a cerns, or whatevers man!You dont even need whatever man!But you still see!Everything man!Point of view is all that matters man!And if you believe in yourself too much man then you can only see yourself man!

And as a human being you have a tiny chance that one day you might be ready for a level 2 man!

But before i start that class man i have to save the planet!Man!Save the planet!

And to fit in topic a bit just for you man!I dont care where life started i only care that it will never end!

velvetpink do you realize that at the rate you are going you will probably fill the universe with your posts.

What's more I don't think many of your contributions actually relate to the topic that initiated your contributions.

Furthermore, I am not sure anybody could read all of your comments posted above and be sane to start with. There is just so many comments and so much life to live that it is a contradiction.

Most people have something useful to say sometimes, and I am sure you are no exception but if you could just control yourself a little bit the rest of us just might be able to find out what that is.

I may well agree with you on a lot of points - but I am not sure if I want to immerse myself in your entire argument presented above, I just don't think I will live that long.

And Alizee should have had more sense than to debate with you here or you should have had more sense than to debate with him. One of you should have had more sense at least.

And you guys still have problems with defining relation between mechanics and relativity?Or something like that?Move on already!You dont need any mechanics or relativity!Oh or maybe you need them for mechanics and relativity!But definitely not for the universal theory!Hehe. Wtf is a mechanics and relativity anyway?Still the same as it was?

velvetpink do you realize that at the rate you are going you will probably fill the universe with your posts.

What's more I don't think many of your contributions actually relate to the topic that initiated your contributions.

Furthermore, I am not sure anybody could read all of your comments posted above and be sane to start with. There is just so many comments and so much life to live that it is a contradiction.

Most people have something useful to say sometimes, and I am sure you are no exception but if you could just control yourself a little bit the rest of us just might be able to find out what that is.

I may well agree with you on a lot of points - but I am not sure if I want to immerse myself in your entire argument presented above, I just don't think I will live that long.

And Alizee should have had more sense than to debate with you here or you should have had more sense than to debate with him. One of you should have had more sense at least.

Man. If i could i would help you. But its obvious that i cant.And why care for number of posts or comments?I am a scientist man. I dont count.And you man?You still see no sense? Man looking at those things up here, i see more sense the whole universe thing. But im sorry for you!I mean you see i told you that words arent enough!And no one believe me!

And with rating me no matter how much man you are just proving my point!Maybe someone someday will get it what im saying so i like to be written somewhere public so you dont need to be ascientist!You never really know!And then you will be reading about me in a newspaper!Your whole town will!And im sorry!And you cannot agree with me on any point unless you are me!

And the only thing that universally matters in here or anywhere on this planet is in here!In here man!Could you believe it if i told you earlier that it will be like this?No way man!You couldnt even dream about it! 'Level 1' and his 'magpies case'!

"if you could just control yourself a little bit"

Man!If i do that i would kill the universal thoery forever man!

Maybe tomorrow everyone will wanted to be a velvet pink man!Haha man!Imagine that man!How would you find me?To reveal you a level two man!Haha.And man!Did you know that the universal theory is faster than the light man??

I bet you didnt!No one did man!Haha. But i do man! And im not winning yet man!Maybe i dont even wanna win man!Imagine that man!What if i dont wanna win man!Then you yeah man will be soon to old man!

You see man!Teamwork is always required no matter how stupid participants are!If you want a progress! But as i see in you humans progress is not for you beings anyway!For what you are only good is called a development my friends!Thats what you believe in!

And one more life tip humans!Choose any drug you like just dont take money and alcohol!Of course only if you want your brain to survive!

Cause money and alcohol are the biggest killer drugs on this planet!Thats why they are legalized!Cause those who lead us have big brain!And thanks god that i was so fast! Right in time before they would become the universal theory!I was just too fast to believe in!But no matter what here we are! In a brand new universal day. Now you can start counting how many days we will survive. And that will equal infinity. Byebye.

And on this planet you really never can get rid of attackers!You see even some humans evolute into attackers with numbers!What a miracle we live in!This is just fascinating!Good night!

Dude I wana take on the world today! I know I'll win! Does the world?

Welcome to PhysOrg.com, or as I like to call it, the Alizee and velvetpink comedy hour! (Or day. Or millenium.)

Don't you guys have anything else to do??

Hey my friend!Dont you have anything better to say??If you dont my friend then it could be millenium! And no my friend i dont have anything better to do than i just did.I mean all my life ive been wating for this my friend. And your code my friend fit in just perfectly!

And all you who dont have an universally constructive answer to my enterprise and obviously dont understand what i said up here!I have a question for you so you might gain some universal IQ!What is 'closer' to the universal point of view:what you see or what you know??
And this is insanity opera my friend not even close to a comedy!Comedy is for blind people anyway.

Where are all the nobel winners now and all the glorious scientists??Are they too 'high' to show up with an unknown loser on the internet?? I would love to hear their explanation of my Level 1 and the magpies case!Haha!Or maybe they already know they doesnt need an explanation as they are universally correct??Haha.Sorry but haha is also a type of a feeling in insanity opera spectrum so no offense never meant to hurt you with haha!

'Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.'
And man! You should understand that by now!Do you still believe in a famous formula E=mxc??Its true!Its famous!And nothing more than that!Haha.Damn that guy was brilliant with a great planetary IQ. But hey haha he had no universal IQ!

And hey let me help you a bit so that you wont spend hard working money on your meaningless enterprises!Yes there is a black matter, there are bossons and there was a big bang!But dont you make mistake again!Its just so what!And a hint:You dont need any money to be an universal scientist!Except for a food!Of course if you live on this planet!

And now lets wait together for 'rating number attackers' to strike again!What a lovely experiment!

"you gotta stop thinking about what you know.you should start thinking about what you dont know" And hey scientists remember when i said that??Haha what an universal beauty!And now take a look at your million pages of codes haha! No way god would be able to translate your code into an any kind of universal meaning!Except equating it with human stupidity!He is lazy btw!And his brain aint that big as yours!

velvetpink do you realize that at the rate you are going you will probably fill the universe with your posts.

Hehe!And you will fill the planet with your definition code!

Guy, please, just stop posting until the physorg forum is back up! No one knows what your saying, you are not presenting yourself in any coherent manner,... maybe its the language barrier, but in any case, that is the reason the only attention your getting is in regard to the volume on non-sense your posting, and not in relation to your ideas. I even tried to engage you to understand you, but you choose not to reply.

"No one knows what your saying" Hm.How can you be so sure about no one? And if there really is no one my friend, then you have no future.

And what really is a comedy haha is that you doctors of non sense are calling my universal sense a non sense.This is the best. I mean i am god for now.No doubt.And you scientists keep competing with the bible.Thats actually what you are doing.In and out of a bubble.Mr.Velvet Pink.

"And if there really is no one my friend, then you have no future."

See, again that didn't make any sense. What does my future to do with the fact that no one knows what your saying in your posts.

One would have to quit their job to read all of the posts you made above, and yet still not know what your point is.

I will ask again, what is the core idea you are trying to convey? Start a thread once physOrg forums are back up.

"And if there really is no one my friend, then you have no future."

See, again that didn't make any sense. What does my future to do with the fact that no one knows what your saying.

A lot. I mean if you dont understand that then i dont know. There is no words to further explain this. Sorry.

.. and when someone asked you a specific question, you bail out of the conversion,...

,....

Is it your contention then that it is impossible even in principal to construct a consistent and universal theory?

bla bla bla,...There is no words to further explain this. Sorry.

Are you kidding me,.. does this mean no more posts on whatever subject it is you're posting on? Somehow I doubt it.

"what is the core idea you are trying to convey?"

That all of you who are exploring the universe aka looking for an universal theory are riding a blind horse on a blind road. Also whether you are talking about any kind of existence your code doesnt make any sense except for its own purpose. Thats a fact not idea. And what i tried to present you is 'the intro' of the universal theory. But its obvious that you didnt understand it, cause it might be a little to late for all of you to ever come back where you were. You know, while i was doing a research and stop talking with humans and just observing them for 7,5 years i realize one interesting thing. The more they are talking the more stupid and blind they are. It can all be seen in the eyes if you really know how to look at those eyes. And the only possible conclusion was, the more code you offer them->more stupid and blind. And thats where you are going. Now you know what does your future to do with the fact that no one knows what im saying.There are two different processes possible with your thinking bubble my friend. One is using brain and the other one is understanding brain. No one seems to understand his brain to me and i havent meet anyone by now.

.. and when someone asked you a specific question, you bail out of the conversion,...

No not true.Everything is explained so no further answers are needed as they just boost the entropy of the class.

,....

Is it your contention then that it is impossible even in principal to construct a consistent and universal theory?

No for me. But as it looks like its yes for you. And thats what you dont get it. Im not dealing with a blind planetary theory as you do. Im dealing with the universally constructed universal theory. And i presented you 'the intro point and a case' how to transfer your thinking bubble brain toward that point of view.

bla bla bla,...There is no words to further explain this. Sorry.

Are you kidding me,.. does this mean no more posts on whatever subject it is you're posting on? Somehow I doubt it.

And codes like that my friend just prove my point.

"even in principal to construct a consistent and universal theory"

And to help you again with your thinking-language-expression relation, there is no like in principal or whatever universal theory. There is just the universal theory.

And you still strictly believe in what you are typing, wording, saying, puzzling. Are you really sure you tried to understand me? Maybe you should go back to magpies case and stay there till you get it.And if you wont get it then studying the universal theory is just not for you.

The more they are talking the more stupid and blind they are.

This applies to your posts.

The more they are talking the more stupid and blind they are.

This applies to your posts.

Yes. You are right. But you should know by now that i dont wanna talk, and its only you who make me talk. You gave me the codes remember? Anyway my friend, I made such conclusions when i was 2 years old.How old are you anyway?

And you see my friends thats why you are human animals and me just me.There is a big difference in species.You cant conquer your own head while im conquering the universe. This is just a little more than amazing.

You gave me the codes remember?

What?

I made such conclusions when i was 2 years old.How old are you anyway?

If you were able to make "such conclusions" at 2 then my age is irrelevant. I assure you I am older than 2.

I "dont wanna talk" anymore either. I think I'll act on that impulse. Have fun with your monologue.

And no!You arent even animals anymore. You have become the robots. Almighty robots with quadra core and no IQ. And thats your final stage of evolution.Congratulations.

What?

Do you remember where did you get that 'What?'?

Answer my god damn f question! Do you f remember where did you get that f 'What?'?!

THANK YOU.

"what is the core idea you are trying to convey?"

That all of you who are exploring the universe aka looking for an universal theory are riding a blind horse on a blind road.

O.K., now why would that be the case, why is the pursuit of a consistent knowledge of the physical world a blind road?

Instead of just stating this over and over, man, can you show with rational principals that this is a dead horse to begin with?

If you would understand what i said you wouldnt ask that anymore. And please translate your sentences.I am not sure whether i understand your babble.

"what is the core idea you are trying to convey?"

That all of you who are exploring the universe aka looking for an universal theory are riding a blind horse on a blind road.

O.K., now why would that be the case, why is the pursuit of a consistent knowledge of the physical world a blind road?

Instead of just stating this over and over, man, can you show with rational principals that this is a dead horse to begin with?

And where did you get that from?All those words of no universal meanings?

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Again just for you my friend.You see where you are?On the left with a brain damage defining everything and trying to manipulate with nonsense all the existence with your threshold brainwash radio. Thats where you are. And if you take a look on the right side my friend there is me. And you and your failures are nothing more than universal facts to me. So?You still wanna babble you code?

And answer my question if you remember where did you get that from?!You see?!Thats what matters to my point of view and not what you TELL ME!Thats universal that you dont f remember and not wtf you are saying!

And can you see on the left my friend why there is no universal progress in universal theory science?

This has gone far enough. Are there no moderators?

And yes my friend what you are looking for is a theory that could be universal, but my friend good luck with that, what im looking for is universe's theory.His or hers or whatevers man.But you fail man!Already at the beginning man!

This has gone far enough. Are there no moderators?

Why?I mean wtf you care anyway??Dont you have anything better to do then to read this article?And dont you have anything better to say than what you just babbled? And to far??How can you go too far in the science??Oh you just proved why you are on the left side of the paragraph!Thanks. And you would just trash such a beautiful conversation?Man buy new human brain!And truth always hurts my friend!

Rating number attackers haha!Damn humans you have become robotic viruses yourself!And thanks for proving my experiment over and over again!

If they would trash this phenomenon my friend it would be the biggest mistake in a human history man!Haha.And you already tought you rule the universe?!Haha!Yea you rule big time but only your own destruction!Haha!

And back to article a bit!
"It is clear that biology does use physics," said Cartwright. "Indeed, how could it not do?"But of course! Maybe also physics is just a part of biology??You see thats a case of a very progressive thinking.

Hey!And what is physics anyway? Isnt it just some unknown particles puzzled together? Like everything else?Except the universal theory?

Hey!And what is physics anyway? Isnt it just some unknown particles puzzled together? Like everything else?Except the universal theory?

And where did i get that from??You told me!Haha!You gave me those codes i just had to combine them a little bit different!Haha!More universally!And i bet you still dont know where did you get yours!Hehe.

And i smell a potential out there!!Hardly waiting to meet you all one day!I just saw a flash of brightness in front of my perception!Thank you to show up!You are our only hope!Nice to meet you and thank us all!At the very end we would either way all be the same!But on one scenario we would be virusal robots, while on the other we would remain original and pure universal humans!

This has gone far enough. Are there no moderators?

Unfortunately the moderators are either non-existent or are incompetent. The PhysOrg forum was allowed to be flooded with porn spam for weeks on end with zero response from them. :(

I just found this thread. My its a mess.

Is that VelvetPinkTroll's intent? To drive out the interesting with its Dennis Hopper 1960's inspired (if inspired is a word that applies to trolls)brain damaged drivel.

Did anyone else notice that its straight out of the stream of unconsciousness dialog Dennis had in Apocalypse Now?

Go watch a new movie PinkTroll. Learn some new dialog. Even Dennis can't figure out why he is still alive. I suspect your his equivalent of The Picture of Dorian Grey.