Atom-smasher relaunch delayed to September: official (Update)

February 9, 2009
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The world's largest superconducting solenoid magnet (CMS), at the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN)'s Large Hadron Collider (LHC) particule accelerator in Geneva. Europe's Big Bang atom-smasher will not now restart until the end of September, following a major breakdown that marred its multi-billion dollar launch one year earlier, researchers said Monday.

Researchers announced Monday a new delay for the restart of Europe's Big Bang atom-smasher, saying the faulty multi-billion dollar machine would now be turned back on in late September.



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Alexa
Feb 09, 2009

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Their apocalyptic fears turned out to be misplaced
Indeed, safety is the main concern of LHC experiments. It's supported firmly by contemporary theories. The main purpose of LHC experiments is to test these theories.

Therefore the main purpose of LHC is to check its own safety. Which isn't bad for 5 billion dollars project.
acarrilho
Feb 09, 2009

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"Turned out"? There were collisions already?
dev2000
Feb 09, 2009

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"Their apocalyptic fears turned out to be misplaced."

That was a comment from the future, proving that the LHC will open a dangerous, unstable wormhole time-portal from the future when it is switched on. However the message from the future was quite docile. Quite a paradox?

Move along. Nothing to see here.
Ant
Feb 09, 2009

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Suprise Suprise, who didnt expect this? As for an apocalyptic event do they really think they have disproved that yet? I would suggest an early accident suggests otherwise.
Noumenon
Feb 09, 2009

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They must be having trouble dislodging the black holes, must have gotten them really jammed in there. (j/k) :)
Noumenon
Feb 09, 2009

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Their apocalyptic fears turned out to be misplaced
Indeed, safety is the main concern of LHC experiments. It's supported firmly by contemporary theories. The main purpose of LHC experiments is to test these theories.

Therefore the main purpose of LHC is to check its own safety. Which isn't bad for 5 billion dollars project.


Kinda of a strange statement,.. 'turned out', does this mean that the black hole (that wasn't supposed to happen) didn't turn out to have killed anyone afterall? Lol

WolfAtTheDoor
Feb 10, 2009

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New "go live" date is December 21, 2012.

theophys
Feb 10, 2009

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Obscenity! Another delay! It makes me frown.
Velanarris
Feb 10, 2009

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Obscenity! Another delay! It makes me frown.

Me too. I want to know where gravity comes from.

My parents told me when two higgs bosons really love each other....
Roach
Feb 10, 2009

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Vel, That story it... well, I didn't even know that two people who knew how to explain Higgs Bosons could mate...
Although really I have been dying to use the "I have to take a vacation day because the world ended." excuss.
Ant
Feb 11, 2009

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Hi wolfatthedoor:
Are you taking bets on that date?

well, at least we can get 2 holidays in.

Mind you it will probably provide a new job for the relaunch- A cue card holder with "cheer, clap, pray and run like hell" on them.
Ant
Feb 11, 2009

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One has to wonder if they ever got it going at all or was all the acting for the benifit of the sponsors. Its very easy to make a screen produce a dot. Or was there evidence I missed.
Velanarris
Feb 11, 2009

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One has to wonder if they ever got it going at all or was all the acting for the benifit of the sponsors. Its very easy to make a screen produce a dot. Or was there evidence I missed.

Yes, there's a lot you missed.
JIMBO
Feb 12, 2009

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More LOUSY science journalism: `Atom Smasher' ?
Is the guy who wrote this from the 1950's ??
Surprise: The LHC does not smash atoms, but protons !
Cannot believe the desecration of the English language so commonplace in writers & broadcasters !!!
Yet nowhere near the abomination that science writers daily get away with. Lets call them on their BS everytime !
Alexa
Feb 12, 2009

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The LHC does not smash atoms
Not quite, for example ALICE experiment considers the collisions of true atoms, acellerated by collective action of proton stream. With respect to BH/strangelet formation these experiments are most risky, after all.
Roach
Feb 12, 2009

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I thought everyone recognized protons as H ions by now?
Velanarris
Feb 12, 2009

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With respect to BH/strangelet formation these experiments are most risky, after all.
Have any evidence to that effect? After all, there are over 5 billion years worth of data saying you're wrong.
Roach
Feb 12, 2009

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Yes Vel, but that wasn't anthropogenic. :)
Velanarris
Feb 12, 2009

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Yes Vel, but that wasn't anthropogenic. :)

And laughs were had by all.
Alexa
Feb 12, 2009

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there are over 5 billion years worth of data saying you're wrong
Where we can met with such kind of highly symmetric head-to-head collisions in our Universe?
Velanarris
Feb 13, 2009

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there are over 5 billion years worth of data saying you're wrong
Where we can met with such kind of highly symmetric head-to-head collisions in our Universe?


In an infinite universe: everywhere
In our current universe based on what we know about it: almost everywhere.

We haven't found a strangelet in nature, we haven't seen a "strange blob". Mathematically, strangelets have no possible condition for stability, and our atmosphere alone is constantly bombarded by particles with far greater energies, far greater velocities, and by the HUP (which even you're favorite AWT has a duly noted appreciation for) demand that through probability and the law of large numbers over large timescales not only similar conditions, but the same conditions would be seen on a scale as relatively small as our atmosphere, let alone our solar system.
ubavontuba
Feb 15, 2009

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We haven't found a strangelet in nature, we haven't seen a "strange blob". Mathematically, strangelets have no possible condition for stability, and our atmosphere alone is constantly bombarded by particles with far greater energies, far greater velocities, and by the HUP (which even you're favorite AWT has a duly noted appreciation for) demand that through probability and the law of large numbers over large timescales not only similar conditions, but the same conditions would be seen on a scale as relatively small as our atmosphere, let alone our solar system.
You're right. Strangelets aren't a concern. However, dark matter fits the bill for cosmic ray induced micro black holes being a natural consequence.


Velanarris
Feb 15, 2009

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However, dark matter fits the bill for cosmic ray induced micro black holes being a natural consequence.

Which would have an even greater probability of having already occured if possible.
ubavontuba
Feb 16, 2009

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Which would have an even greater probability of having already occured if possible.
Exactly. If they occurred naturally in cosmic ray collisions, they'd fit nicely within the framework of the current observations.
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