New Pollution Monitoring: Our Air is Dirtier Than We Thought

Amen.. regardless of the validity (or lack thereof) of the belief that global warming is man-made, that does not change the fact that we need to curb our emissions anyway, to avoid much more tangible problems related to air pollution, as well as soil and water pollution.

Agreed, as well. You can only do so much to deny global warming. You risk looking like a total dumbass if you try to deny air pollution in general.

The other day there was an article saying that a large part of warming was caused by the cleaner air in the past few decades. Let's tell it all ways as long as we get paid for it, and it may confuse the sceptics, it sure confuses us as we forget what we said last week. If we cover it from all angles we can look back and say "see, we were right!".

If it happens naturally (particulates) is it still pollution? Or is it just a natural, if unwanted, part of the local environment (like pollen)?

naturally occuring particulates is still regarded as pollution, but not much can be done about that... most likely they`ll be looking at obvious man-made particulates..

Oh, and By the way, if there`s heavy smog over large metropolitan/industrial areas, that`s most likely NOT a naturally-occuring phenomena.

I've been saying it for years. Global warming is a joke that is stopping us from fixing things that need to be fixed. How much better would the world be if all of the Hot air and time Al Gore spent fighting the air we breath (CO2) instead of cleaning up third world filth from India and China. (No offence meant to China or India, only Al Gore :))

I admit, im one of the bad guys... I use my car because its convenient, i buy products that makes me happy for a while, that i really wont be using in the long run. I use cosmetics, shampoos and detergents for washing that harms the environment.

The point is.. every human that is born is part of the problem and we accept mediocre solutions... we accept politicians and world leaders that focus on keeping business running.

What if we keep business running for the sake of money... do we then have enough money to leave the planet because its no longer habitable?


It starts with you and I...

I often wondered when "heat trapped by particulate pollution" changed to "co2" causing global warming...clean up the dirt and plants can do the rest.

Yay the day is near when Global Warming Believers and denialists come together to attack the government for blinding us to the real threats like pollution in out air, land and sea. Which our gvments allow corporations to get away with so long as a little tax is paid to cover the inconvienience (but goes nowhere near any cleaning schemes).

Instead the gvmnt are considering purposely polluting our air via chemtrails as a solution to GW, wtf?

The point is.. every human that is born is part of the problem and we accept mediocre solutions... we accept politicians and world leaders that focus on keeping business running.

What if we keep business running for the sake of money... do we then have enough money to leave the planet because its no longer habitable?
It starts with you and I...

We keep businesses running to prevent poverty, joblessness, and a secondary reinforcer malthusian complex from developing.

What if you and all your neighbors were suddenly challenged for every resource you need, heat, shelter, food, etc?

Welcome to a revolution, imagine the ecological fallout of that.

We pump huge amounts of pollution in to the atmosphere every year, changing the chemical makeup of the atmosphere. The giant pyramid of smog that hangs over some cities will never be a positive. Now the argument goes like this. We can see the changes we are doing to the atmosphere with our own eyes but we not changing the atmosphere because humans are to puny. We might be but our tech and our machines are not. I guess in fifty years when the half dozen or so males born that year on the planet are born sterile, people will know than they won't have to worry about the pesky little things like the species much longer.

The point is.. every human that is born is part of the problem and we accept mediocre solutions... we accept politicians and world leaders that focus on keeping business running.







What if we keep business running for the sake of money... do we then have enough money to leave the planet because its no longer habitable?



It starts with you and I...

We keep businesses running to prevent poverty, joblessness, and a secondary reinforcer malthusian complex from developing.

What if all the resources required for a good life could be provided without every one of us needing to spend 2000 hr's / yr at a jobsite? Say 1000 hrs / yr were enough? Wouldn't the PTB still simply invent work for us just to keep us "busy and stupid"?

What if all the resources required for a good life could be provided without every one of us needing to spend 2000 hr's / yr at a jobsite? Say 1000 hrs / yr were enough? Wouldn't the PTB still simply invent work for us just to keep us "busy and stupid"?

If we didn't have resource contention then we wouldn't have war, famine, poverty, or a need for war, famine, or poverty.

It's nice to pontificate on Utopia. Unfortunately, there's no path leading there at this point in time. We're too wrapped up in ideologies and disbursal methods that are unsustainable.

Does it bother anyone else to see pictures of stacks spewing copious amounts of steam at the leadin for articles on pollution?

What if all the resources required for a good life could be provided without every one of us needing to spend 2000 hr's / yr at a jobsite? Say 1000 hrs / yr were enough? Wouldn't the PTB still simply invent work for us just to keep us "busy and stupid"?

At the end of WWII and in to the early 50's it was thought, from projections (the equivalent of today's computer models), that the average consumer would only need to work 10 to 20 hours a week to maintain a middle-class existence. Instead it's more common to see double-income-no-kids in order to maintain a middle-class lifestyle...

There's a lesson in there somewhere.

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The point is.. every human that is born is part of the problem and we accept mediocre solutions... we accept politicians and world leaders that focus on keeping business running.



What if we keep business running for the sake of money... do we then have enough money to leave the planet because its no longer habitable?

It starts with you and I...

We keep businesses running to prevent poverty, joblessness, and a secondary reinforcer malthusian complex from developing.



What if you and all your neighbors were suddenly challenged for every resource you need, heat, shelter, food, etc?



Welcome to a revolution, imagine the ecological fallout of that.

We ARE allready challenged. Animals are being born with two sexes, deserts are spreading, people in the industrialized countries have big problems getting pregnant because of all the parabenes and Phtalates in products they buy.. it goes on and on.

I do not believe that if we continue to travel that road we will eventually reach heaven/nirvana e.t.c.

Scarcity is a myth, its how we use the raw materials thats important. In the pacific ocean, there is a huge island of floating plastic - a complete and utter waste, which could be recycled.

WTF... someplaces air particulates increase AGW by trapping heat; while in other areas the lack of air particulates allows the Sun to shine through causing AGW

"The research team used supercomputer simulations"

and which computer models do they use to make sure their inputs are correct? If not, garbage in = garbage out!

could, may, might, if...
blah, blah, blah

We ARE allready challenged. Animals are being born with two sexes, deserts are spreading, people in the industrialized countries have big problems getting pregnant because of all the parabenes and Phtalates in products they buy.. it goes on and on.

Are you referring to deer, antelopes, or any of the other similar organisms? If so, it's actually rather common to see them born with both sexes. Please clarify which animals you're referring to.

As for people in industrial countries having difficulty reproducing, I really don't see this as an issue. I see fertility treatments as an issue.

Scarcity is a myth, its how we use the raw materials thats important. In the pacific ocean, there is a huge island of floating plastic - a complete and utter waste, which could be recycled.

This massive island of plastics, I keep hearing about it, yet no one wants to do anything about it. If all the plastics end up in one area, you'd probably make a good amount of money, and now-a-days, catch some big government funding to clean it up and recycle it. Raw plastics are worth a decent amount of change.

Other than that, you're right, scarcity is a myth. Problem is, the people who need it don't have it, and the people that have it, well, we're not giving it away for free.

Look at your average warring countries, typically very poor, like most African nations, or lacking any sort of resource control. Meaning, they don't have the resources, or the means of disbursal.