Canadian scientist aims to turn chickens into dinosaurs

August 25, 2009
A Canadian scientist is planning to turn chickens into dinosaurs

Enlarge

Chicken at a market. After years spent hunting for the buried remains of prehistoric animals, a Canadian paleontologist now plans to manipulate chicken embryos to show he can create a dinosaur.

After years spent hunting for the buried remains of prehistoric animals, a Canadian paleontologist now plans to manipulate chicken embryos to show he can create a dinosaur.

Hans Larsson, the Canada Research Chair in Macro Evolution at Montreal's McGill University, said he aims to develop dinosaur traits that disappeared millions of years ago in birds.

Larsson believes by flipping certain genetic levers during a chicken embryo's development, he can reproduce the dinosaur anatomy, he told AFP in an interview.

Though still in its infancy, the research could eventually lead to hatching live prehistoric animals, but Larsson said there are no plans for that now, for ethical and practical reasons -- a dinosaur hatchery is "too large an enterprise."

"It's a demonstration of evolution," said Larsson, who has studied bird for the last 10 years.

"If I can demonstrate clearly that the potential for dinosaur anatomical development exists in birds, then it again proves that are direct descendants of dinosaurs."

The research is funded by the Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada, the Canada Research Chairs program and National Geographic.

The idea for the project, Larsson said, came about during discussions with renowned American paleontologist Jack Horner, who served as technical advisor for the Jurassic Park films.

Horner recently wrote a book entitled "How to Build A Dinosaur," in which he refers to the embryo experiment as part of a quest to create a "chickenosaurus."

Larsson's team has previously worked to uncover prehistoric animal remains, including eight unknown species of and five new types of crocodile in Niger. He also recently uncovered the remains of a new carnivorous dinosaur in Argentina.


Join PhysOrg.com on Facebook!
Follow PhysOrg.com on Twitter!
(c) 2009 AFP

4.1 /5 (28 votes)  

Filter


Move the slider to adjust rank threshold, so that you can hide some of the comments.


Display comments: newest first

laserdaveb
Aug 25, 2009

Rank: 3.5 / 5 (4)
Crap.....go watch that movie maybe...365 times..then go REAL slow....on a space station!jurst in case..
gmurphy
Aug 25, 2009

Rank: 4.7 / 5 (3)
physical characteristics are one thing, subtle neurological constructs which might constitute instinct are very different, and we may never know if the reconstituted dinosaur phenotypes are in any way true reflections of their ancestors
Damon_Hastings
Aug 25, 2009

Rank: 5 / 5 (4)
Do we really have to go all Dr Moreau just to prove chickens descended from dinosaurs?
defunctdiety
Aug 25, 2009

Rank: 3 / 5 (2)
"It's a demonstration of evolution," said Larsson, who has studied bird evolution for the last 10 years.

Close... it would be a demonstration of DE-evolution, actually, sir...
Damon_Hastings
Aug 25, 2009

Rank: 5 / 5 (3)
It's unclear to me just exactly what this guy plans to do. The title of the article is "Canadian scientist aims to turn chickens into dinosaurs", but the article says "a dinosaur hatchery is too large an enterprise." So what exactly *does* he aim to do? Grow chickenosaurus embryos and kill them before they hatch? Create a computer simulation? A theoretical proof?
LariAnn
Aug 25, 2009

Rank: 3 / 5 (4)
Actually, wouldn't it be a demonstration of intelligently-directed evolution (or de-evolution), since an intelligent human mind is the motive factor for the execution of the experiment? The chicken is not going to turn into a dinosaur randomly, after all, now, is it?

Also, it would not prove that birds are direct descendants of dinosaurs, but that birds are genetically related to dinosaurs, which is definitely not the same thing scientifically.
defunctdiety
Aug 25, 2009

Rank: 5 / 5 (1)
Actually, wouldn't it be a demonstration of intelligently-directed evolution (or de-evolution), since an intelligent human mind is the motive factor for the execution of the experiment? The chicken is not going to turn into a dinosaur randomly, after all, now, is it?

Also, it would not prove that birds are direct descendants of dinosaurs, but that birds are genetically related to dinosaurs, which is definitely not the same thing scientifically.

De-evolution is not a naturally occurring process, I might argue that it therefore connotates "third-party" influence by default... and intelligently directed evolution is still just evolution, so long as it makes the given life form more likely to successfully procreate, even if just in the context of the intelligent direction. So he's not evolving anything. I'm actually rather surprised that what he's proposing isn't laughed out of the scientific community...

And this is because it 1.) would never prove anything that we don't already know by more sound means and 2.) it would only demonstrate that the DNA of a chicken can be altered to phenotypically and morphologically resemble what is observed in a small segment of the dinosaur fossil record. i.e. he'd just be engaging in ethically unsound practices to make a chicken look like a dinosaur, not creating a dinosaur.

Chances are it will also probably result in something pretty inhumane (crippled? sterile? dead at birth?)...
thales
Aug 25, 2009

Rank: 5 / 5 (2)
Gives new meaning to the phrase, "Hmm... tastes like chicken."
Damon_Hastings
Aug 25, 2009

Rank: 5 / 5 (1)
"No, no more doctors... no more experiments... I thought that you, of all people, would understand..."
Damon_Hastings
Aug 25, 2009

Rank: 5 / 5 (1)
(note for the classic-movie-challenged: that's a famous Dr Moreau quote, spoken by a genetic experiment gone wrong)
Damon_Hastings
Aug 25, 2009

Rank: 4.5 / 5 (2)
....which I horribly butchered. :-P Here's the actual quote:

"No. No more scientists. No more laboratories. No more experiments. I thought you'd be able to understand that."

(Imagine this as spoken by the chickenosaurus. :)
otto1923
Aug 25, 2009

Rank: 5 / 5 (1)
House cats into Smilodons
Anteaters into Glyptodonts
Women into ...Raquel Welsh?

-Would a chickenosaurus still cluck or shriek like a banshee in the night?
Housecats hunting in packs taking down cattle
otto1923
Aug 25, 2009

Rank: 5 / 5 (1)
I want to see a phorusrhacid Terror Bird. Im sure it would shriek like a banshee in the night.
rfw
Aug 25, 2009

Rank: not rated yet
Chicken little comes to mind. The sky is falling, the sky is falling,the sky is falling... When chicken little becomes chicken BIG, after the sky has fallen chicken BIG will go hunting... and not for bugs!

OK peeps, how many more B movie plots can we think up?
eric_in_chicago
Aug 25, 2009

Rank: not rated yet
And, what would this new organism say if it could talk in response to the question, "What does the McGill University staff taste like?"

"Tastes like chicken."

I can't wait to see half-chicken, half thunderlizards with razor sharp rows of teeth.

"I am Chicken. Hear me ROAR!!!"
otto1923
Aug 25, 2009

Rank: 5 / 5 (1)
Alligators into mosasaurs for tourists at seaworld
ZeroDelta
Aug 26, 2009

Rank: 5 / 5 (1)
maybe I can finally get dino-Mc nuggets


proves evolution by unleashing dino DNA
Danie
Aug 26, 2009

Rank: not rated yet
To be quite honest, since that show some years ago where they dug up the Mammoth, I was wondering how long it will be for something like this to happen...

Granted, Mammoth is a few years younger than dinosaurs, but just the general idea of trying to bring back extinct animals.

All I have to say is, there is a reason as to why they went extinct without the help of modern humans...
bloodonthescarecrow
Aug 26, 2009

Rank: 5 / 5 (1)
maybe the chickenosaurs and the geico cavemen can finally team up and hunt the afflack goose into extinction. im just saying, its a noble cause.
CreepyD
Aug 26, 2009

Rank: not rated yet
I saw a tv show about scientists doing this at least 6 months ago, complete with pics of little chicken embryos with razor sharp teeth developing.

Why can't they let them hatch and see what they look like!
david_42
Aug 26, 2009

Rank: 4 / 5 (1)
The point of the research is to demonstrate that the dinosaur traits are preserved in the chicken genome. This is arguably the strongest possible validation of evolution. Growing teeth in chicken embryos is an interesting demonstration of the same principle, just not as much fun.
Damon_Hastings
Aug 26, 2009

Rank: 5 / 5 (2)
Also, it would not prove that birds are direct descendants of dinosaurs, but that birds are genetically related to dinosaurs, which is definitely not the same thing scientifically.

Why wouldn't it prove they're descendants? Since the scientist is merely activating genes already in the chicken's genome, it seems like this would prove that the dinosaur genome is embedded within the chicken genome, and that could only happen if they're direct descendants, not cousins. Humans are "related to" flying squirrels, but that doesn't mean we have the gene for glider wings somewhere in our DNA. You can only inherit genes from direct ancestors.
SmartK8
Aug 26, 2009

Rank: 3 / 5 (2)
I see a promising Ig Nobel candidate for this year. I hope, he can still make it on the list. Not to sound too pessimistic. I can give him a direction for the next research. Proving the gravity by jumping from a roof of a skyscraper. There's a possibility for the Darwin award as well. Anyway I can drop my charges for a free ticket to enter that park. I know the whereabouts of the chaos theory quite well.
arrowrod
Aug 26, 2009

Rank: not rated yet
It occurs to me that a catalog of "Characteristics" can be developed and the resultant animal built (created) in the not to distant future.

My nomination: the Rachel Welch build.
Damon_Hastings
Aug 26, 2009

Rank: 5 / 5 (1)
It occurs to me that a catalog of "Characteristics" can be developed and the resultant animal built (created) in the not to distant future.

Not just animals...

When children are custom-designed for maximum beauty, will beauty still have meaning? I'm pretty sure the answer is "yes" for intelligence, but I'm not sure about beauty...
otto1923
Aug 27, 2009

Rank: not rated yet
When children are custom-designed for maximum beauty, will beauty still have meaning? I'm pretty sure the answer is "yes" for intelligence, but I'm not sure about beauty...
You mean people dont you? When disease- and deformity-causing defects are removed from the gene pool? We have no idea what people will want by then. You are assuming that future people will have your values and that your values would be good or right for them.
defunctdiety
Aug 27, 2009

Rank: not rated yet
We have no idea what people will want by then. You are assuming that future people will have your values and that your values would be good or right for them.

It's arguable none of it would be good for society. As it's not going to be available to anyone except those with the money. Seems like all kinds of discrimination and neo-racism or eugenics issues could stem from it.
otto1923
Aug 27, 2009

Rank: not rated yet
It's arguable none of it would be good for society. As it's not going to be available to anyone except those with the money. Seems like all kinds of discrimination and neo-racism or eugenics issues could stem from it.
We dont know if these things will be true or not. Govt-mandated 'healthcare' would ensure that genetic diseases and deformities will be treated prenatally. Our definition of 'attractive' may not apply to people without defect-caused depression, confusion, sloth, gluttony, addictions, gluttony, thyroid problems, etc. We suffer from these things and would not want to be rejected because of them but would rather do without. Happy, healthy people are much better looking. They might appreciate what we do not in others and realize that what we have been taught to covet is no longer important.
otto1923
Aug 27, 2009

Rank: not rated yet
I said gluttony twice- must be dinnertime. Think I'll have ice cream.

By the way, we have already been 'designed' for maximum beauty by selection- isnt that in a recent thread?
Infernobones95
Aug 27, 2009

Rank: not rated yet
does that mean that we will soon be able to dine on some genetically engineered dinosour? t-rex burgers sound delicious.
otto1923
Aug 28, 2009

Rank: not rated yet
No they will soon be able to dine on us. Human mcnuggets. MuaHaHahahaaaaaaaa.
Tachyon8491
Aug 29, 2009

Rank: not rated yet
I suggest that male Chickenosaurs be devocalised in the embryonic stage as a 128db 1MJ wake-up crowing at dawn might be discovered to be too destructive for anything less resilient than prestressed concrete structures apart from possibly causing cerebral acoustic impact damage to the brains of researchers.
Shaffer
Aug 31, 2009

Rank: not rated yet
"It's a demonstration of evolution," said Larsson, who has studied bird evolution for the last 10 years.


So, how much have the birds evolved in ten years?
Rank 4.1 /5 (28 votes)
Related Stories
Relevant PhysicsForums posts
  • What are the limits of learning?
    created4 hours ago
  • Neuroscientists: What is a Principal Cell Layer?
    created15 hours ago
  • How does slime mould grow?
    createdFeb 04, 2012
  • Why are mosquitoes and bedbugs successful?
    createdFeb 04, 2012
  • Amazon fungi found to eat plastic
    createdFeb 01, 2012
  • Tips Picking up TEM grids?
    createdFeb 01, 2012
  • More from Physics Forums - Biology

More news stories

Fossil cricket: Jurassic love song reconstructed

Some 165 million years ago, the world was host to a diversity of sounds. Primitive bushcrickets and croaking amphibians were among the first animals to produce loud sounds by stridulation (rubbing certain body parts together). ...

Other Sciences / Archaeology & Fossils

created 12 hours ago | popularity 5 / 5 (2) | comments 1 | with audio podcast

Do we no longer care about the collective good?

The Transformation of Solidarity, a book co-edited by University of Queensland sociologist Dr Mara Yerkes, tackles the subject of globalisation of national economies and societies where we put a high value ...

Other Sciences / Social Sciences

created 21 hours ago | popularity 3.9 / 5 (8) | comments 34

East views the world differently to West

Cultural differences between the West and East are well documented, but a study shows that concrete differences also exist in how British and Chinese people recognise people and the world around them. Easterners really do ...

Other Sciences / Social Sciences

created 17 hours ago | popularity 5 / 5 (5) | comments 7

Namibia sponge fossils are world's first animals: study

Scientists digging in a Namibian national park have uncovered sponge-like fossils they say are the first animals, a discovery that would push the emergence of animal life back millions of years.

Other Sciences / Archaeology & Fossils

created 19 hours ago | popularity 4.6 / 5 (10) | comments 0

Spectator rage: The dark side of professional sports

Preventing violent outbreaks of "spectator rage", similar to the deadly riots that broke out following a soccer game in Egypt, requires assessment and action by sports team owners and stadium managers, according to a report ...

Other Sciences / Social Sciences

created 10 hours ago | popularity not rated yet | comments 0


Nicira promises virtual networks will transform networking

(PhysOrg.com) -- For the past four years, founders of the start-up company Nicira have been developing cutting-edge software that they predict will transform the networking technology underlying the Internet. ...

Navy to begin tests on electromagnetic railgun prototype launcher

The Office of Naval Research (ONR)'s Electromagnetic (EM) Railgun program will take an important step forward in the coming weeks when the first industry railgun prototype launcher is tested at a facility ...

Study of diving beetles suggest sperm evolution may be driven by changes in female reproductive organs

Studying female reproductive tracts and sperm in diving beetles (Dytiscidae), researchers from the University of Arizona and Syracuse University have obtained a glimpse into a bizarre and amazing world of spe ...

New insight from whole-genome sequencing of Europe's 2011 E. coli outbreaks

Using whole-genome sequencing, a team led by researchers from Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and the Broad Institute has traced the path of the E. coli outbreak that sickened thousands and killed over 50 people in Ger ...

Redder ladybirds more deadly, say scientists

A ladybird's colour indicates how well-fed and how toxic it is, according to an international team of scientists. Research led by the Universities of Exeter and Liverpool directly shows that differences between ...

After Megaupload closure, BTJunkie shuts down

BTJunkie, a popular file-sharing indexing site, said Monday it was voluntarily shutting down, less than three weeks after the US closure of Megaupload in a crackdown on piracy of music, films and other materials.