Israeli archaeologists find ancient fortification

I hate to say it, but as much as I enjoy reading these articles -- and with a degree in history, I'm not exactly a beginner -- what exactly is the point of endless, isolated reports of a wall found somewhere, a tool uncovered, use of a plant in crops pushed back 200 years?

This is all on the level of gee-whiz babel. People didn't construct walls 3,500 years ago? Or good walls? Or...what? What does this article really say, except that people 3,500 years ago felt it was necessary to construct a wall. Maybe the wall was cosmetic. Maybe they were wrong, and the wall never stopped any attack. Maybe it was the Bronze Age equivalent of "white elephant".

And even supposing this is an important discovery. How does it compare with the walls of foes? Of other cultures.

In the end, what is the purpose of these "pop culture" newsbites?

You might as well be a contractor asking the question "What is the purpose of all these measurements, cross-sections, and other drawings on this blueprint?"

I too, hold a degree in history, and I cannot imagine what you actually must have studied, or how poor your instruction must have been in order to leave the appreciation of cumulative knowledge so dead inside you. Or perhaps you should have taken an archaeology course or two, and maybe some cultural and physical anthropology. Then you would know how crucial the distribution of artifacts to our knowledge of the past really is.

Where would our knowledge of ancient Egypt be today if the Rosetta Stone had not been unearthed by Napoleion's armies? Or Sir Arthur Evans' excavations on Crete which unearthed Linear A and B? Henry Rawlinson and his deciphering of various forms of cuneiform? What of the ongoing translation of Mayan writings on temples in Central America, shining light on an entire history that would have been otherwise lost forever? What of the importance of position and distribution of pottery shards and other cultural artifacts at a particular archaeological site, which can then be correlated with other sites in the region, shining light on everything from migration patterns to dating timelines, to boundaries between cultural groups, from those periods before written descriptions are available or do not address such issues?

Monumental architecture-- such as these walls-- is evidence of a very advanced stage of agricultural-based, sedentary human existence, indicating an advanced degree of division of labor, and probably the existence of socioeconomic classes, overseen by ruling elites, practicing hierarchical religion and engagin in organized warfare.

Why don't you stop reading sites like this if such knowledge perturbs you so much? Really, your comment is quite possibly the most bizzare I have ever seen. Geezus.

The wall itself may be insignificant today, but it may - in conjunction with ancient texts, biblical or not - provide a major clue to where many more remains of that culture may be discovered.

Although some (and they are few in reality) use such discoveries to reinforce their religious ferver, continuous verification of details from the bible and similar texts helps modern appreciation of how such documents were used to record with impressive accuracy the stories of the different tribes that later spread through Europe, North Africa and Western Asia.

Congratulations to the discoverers. I hope they will permit the whole world to share in the new opportunities that it will open up.

I hate to say it, but as much as I enjoy reading these articles -- and with a degree in history, I'm not exactly a beginner -- what exactly is the point of endless, isolated reports of a wall found somewhere, a tool uncovered, use of a plant in crops pushed back 200 years?

As said above, that's a very poor line for someone with a degree in history to spout.

In Israel, there is an aspect to archaeology that is
absent from the rest of the world. There are politics
involved. From the end of the article:

Palestinian and Israeli critics have charged that the archaeology is being used as a political tool to cement Jewish control over parts of Jerusalem that Palestinians want for the capital of a future state.

In Israel, there is an aspect to archaeology that is absent from the rest of the world. There are politics involved. From the end of the article:

Palestinian and Israeli critics have charged that the archaeology is being used as a political tool to cement Jewish control over parts of Jerusalem that Palestinians want for the capital of a future state.

That's not exclusive to Israel. Look at the Balkans, the Black Sea region, the war ravaged Ethopian regions and almost all of South America.



It's a very common practice to use archaeology in politics, and to an extent, espionage.

It's a wall, folks. A bunch of broken rock work. I know what walls look like. Old walls, new walls.

What do you know now, after reading the article that you didn't know before? What will you remember, a week from now?

I.e., what's the point of the article.?

In Israel, there is an aspect to archaeology that is



absent from the rest of the world. There are politics



involved. From the end of the article:







Palestinian and Israeli critics have charged that the archaeology is being used as a political tool to cement Jewish control over parts of Jerusalem that Palestinians want for the capital of a future state.

This is an absurd statement. Israel is not the only place politics are involved. Just yesterday the following article appeared showing how restrictive the Saudi government is when even allowing non-Islamic items to be put on display in museums, let alone to allow excavations at ancient sites that expose the long, pre-Islamic history of the Arabian Peninsula itself:



http://www.google...0lwZ9LQ-



The Israelis do not deny that the land was inhabited before they took it. In fact, the book of Joshua describes this "taking" of the land in quite graphic detail. It is a shocking example, perhaps the first recorded, of what can only be described as genocide in history. Interestingly enough, such archaeological sites as the one being discussed here have yet to disgorge any evidence that any of the described events actually occurred. No massive fires, no sudden changes in pottery style, burial types, or any of the other things you would expect (one reason why we study "walls"-- docknowledge) if a drastic, sudden change in populations had indeed occurred in the region as described in the Jewish scriptures. It is clear, however, that at some point, probably by slow, peaceful immigration, the Hebrews did arrive. This wall dates to before that time.



The Israelites lived in the region until the Muslims (led by the Arabs) arrived and took possession of the land 2000 years later, and built their holy sites atop Jewish and Christian holy sites, after the Israelites had been subjugated, liquidated and enslaved by the Greeks then Romans. Now they complain about the findings of archaeology which show the true timeline.



As the Israelis fully "admit"-- they stole the land from the Canaanites (who built this wall). The only people who have political problems with archaeology in Israel are the Palestinians and the Saudi royal family who see such artifacts as these unearthed from under their feet and know that they have not always been the lords of the land, but that many people have lived there-- long before the relatively-recent arrival of Allah's armies. In fact, evidence for human habitation of the region dates back through Neanderthals and before. It is, after all, the crossroads of the world.



Israel is a secular state which at least allows such archaeological work as this to go on, and their results to be put on public display, whether or not those results support what is written in the Jewish Bible or not, and whether or not they buttress Israel's claim to the land or not.



What we have, is the descendants of one group of ancient inhabitants who have returned to engage in a struggle with a more recent group of arrivals for control of a land which has been controlled by many different people dating back to the dawn of time. It is indeed a tricky issue. But it is consistently the Palestinians who try to deny the Israeli/Jewish heritage-- not the other way around. The Israelis are more than willing to admit the Arabs lived there for 1,400 years-- after the Jews had lived there for 2,000.



I often wonder what I would do, living here on land which was stolen from the Cheyenne and Arapaho just a century ago, if those peoples came back together and demanded it be returned? Would I give it to them? How many centuries of living on stolen land does it take before land becomes the actual property of the descendants of the thieves? Australia? South America? Anglo-Saxons? Normans?



After all who, outside of the Great African Rift Valley, is not a thief?



These questions explain why I study evolution, history, archaeology, anthropology-- but most importantly cognitive neuroscience. We must find the answers to our future in our past, or we will join the rest of the fossils in their silence. Go ahead and dismiss such knowledge as "boring" or deny its existence or ramifications as feeding political maneuverings. The truth is the truth, and the past is the past, and by teasing it out of the earth where it is buried wall-by-wall, stone-by-stone, tablet-by-tablet, and grain-by-grain-- perhaps one day we will learn somehow to co-exist.

Right, Mandan. These "historical" arguments are among the most biased, bigoted, and unproductive beliefs in all of human culture. That someone has a "right" to take land from someone else...or that one culture is "better" because a *single individual* in that culture made an invention.

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And to follow up my seemingly unreasonable "so what" comment about the wall, try reading http://www.archae...rg/news/ for a couple years. After the 6th wall discovered in the last month -- that you never hear about again -- you begin to realize most of these articles are just "woo" cruft.

Aaaaaaannnnd...now...an article that actually explains something of why this find is important...

http://www.cnn.co...dex.html