WHO: Smoking kills 5 million every year

Of course, we can enact strict laws in response to pseudo-science, or we can give such reports the attention they deserve (which is to ignore them).

And starvation affects 1 in 6 people, or over 1 billion world-wide.

Leave my smoking alone and go grow some food.

Tobacco use is the leading preventable cause of death

Preventing tobacco does not prevent death.
I don't understand why some people try to tell other people what kind of death suits them best.

"Smoking levels naturally drop off - as they have in Western countries - when populations become richer and better-educated. "

So what is WHO doing to promote liberty and free markets around the world? Liberty and free markets have been proven to make people richer and better educated.

Liberty and free markets have been proven to make people richer and better educated.

s/people/some people/

Liberty and free markets have been proven to make people richer and better educated.

s/people/some people/

Compare a poor person in America to a middle class person in every non-EU country and tell me who has a better life.

Liberty and free markets have been proven to make people richer and better educated.

s/people/some people/

Compare a poor person in America to a middle class person in every non-EU country and tell me who has a better life.

Unfortunately, I don't know personally any poor person in Haiti or elsewhere in America. I happen to know a middle class person from Shanghai. He is happy. And I know a very poor woman in Greece. She is happy. But you didn't want to know that, I assume.

Yes- it does seem that the object of this finding is to try to further demonize a well-known cause of disease and death, even when there is already widespread understanding of the risks that tobacco use entails.
It would be much better to utilize resources to try to combat the bigger problems of hunger, poverty, and lack of education, than to try to get points by belaboring the already proven and obvious.
I just had a smoke, so I'll probably wait awhile before I have another. Then I'll see about indulging in some holiday season adult beverage consumption.

Unfortunately, I don't know personally any poor person in Haiti or elsewhere in America. I happen to know a middle class person from Shanghai. He is happy. And I know a very poor woman in Greece. She is happy. But you didn't want to know that, I assume.

I know some Amazonian tribe's people that are happy all the time. They also believe that airplanes are great metal birds that we've trained to swallow and regurgitate people.

Ignorance is bliss. Which is why I said, "has a better life" not "is happy".

Ignorance is bliss. Which is why I said, "has a better life" not "is happy".

You forget that many a people don't had any choice to get a better education if there parents wanted them to work on the fields instead. We should congratulate them if they manage to be happy nevertheless.
We all are ignorant under many aspects. It's a fallacy to belittle other human beings because of their specific ignorance. Your wisdom when asked for the meaning of "porphyrogennitos" is the same as the Amazonian's when asked for the meaning of "supersonic plane" - it's personally unimportant.
Equally subjective is the definition of a "better life". I don't impose on you my kriteria for a "better life" - why do you?

Just wait until socialized health care is finalized. It will then become everyone's, especially the governments, business exactly what unhealthy habits you choose to pursue. It'll be awesome.

Frajo,

being mentally capable to ensure the safety and security of your family trumps being a subsistence farmer any day of the week. Otherwise America wouldn't have an illegal immigration problem.

Just wait until socialized health care is finalized. It will then become everyone's, especially the governments, business exactly what unhealthy habits you choose to pursue. It'll be awesome.

Governments tax tobacco to ostensibly pay for health care.

Governments tax tobacco to ostensibly pay for health care.

And once health care is socialized, they will tax trans fats, fast food, soda, high fructose corn syrup, parking close to a building, anything that they connect to negative health effects (like CO2 and methane which have literally no negative health effects) and can make money off of. As I said, this is gonna rock guys!

Governments tax tobacco to ostensibly pay for health care.

Nope, they just tax it for revenue. What happens to that revenue is arbitrary.

World governments are worried about over population and want to find a way to limit it. World goverments are trying to make more people live longer by doing away with health risks and improving medical care. Does anyone else see a lapse of logic?

World governments are worried about over population and want to find a way to limit it. World goverments are trying to make more people live longer by doing away with health risks and improving medical care. Does anyone else see a lapse of logic?

Yes. It's unlogical to assume that the governments of the world are following a common grand scheme.

being mentally capable to ensure the safety and security of your family trumps being a subsistence farmer any day of the week. Otherwise America wouldn't have an illegal immigration problem.

This is the theory. In practice, many people start with high hopes and end in the misery of immigration jails, branded as "terrorists":
"Broad Provision in Immigration Law Results in Refugees, Asylum Seekers Being Labeled Terrorists"
http://www.trutho.../1202099

In practice, many people start with high hopes and end in the misery of immigration jails, branded as "terrorists"

If true why do they keep coming?
BTW what is the percentage of 'many'?
Illegal aliens in the USA get away with many crimes. Especially auto violations. They walk away and don't show up for court.
Also, a significant percentage of the US prison population are illegal aliens convicted of real crimes.
"Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces.""
http://archive.ne...08.shtml
CA gets what they deserve.

""Dealing with climate change is not simply an issue of CO2 emission reduction but a comprehensive challenge involving political, economic, social, cultural and ecological issues, and the population concern fits right into the picture," said Zhao, who is a member of the Chinese government delegation. "

http://www.chinad...1129.htm

How will they implement such control? Forced abortions?

illegal aliens

What's the difference between "alien" and "stranger"?

illegal aliens

What's the difference between "alien" and "stranger"?

What?

illegal aliens

What's the difference between "alien" and "stranger"?

What?

Why do you use the word "alien" instead of the word "stranger"?

Aliens are not citizens. Those with visas are legal aliens.
Strangers are anyone you don't know.

Let's get back on topic -while tobacco provides nicotine, it is also a crop that is simple to modify genetically compared to other plants.
So instead of making tobacco farmers go bankrupt when people get more health-conscious, GM tobacco could provide a lot of value-added chemicals such as pharmaceuticals. We can fight smoking without making people unemployed.
Those who like a nicotine fix may try the Swedish variant of moist oral tobacco known as "snus", it is much safer than other types of oral tobacco (and, of course, will not give you lung cancer like cigarettes or smoked cannabis).

Aliens are not citizens. Those with visas are legal aliens.
Strangers are anyone you don't know.

I see. And the ancient Greeks called barbarians those who didn't speek Greek fluently.

moist oral tobacco known as "snus", it is much safer than other types of oral tobacco (and, of course, will not give you lung cancer like cigarettes or smoked cannabis).

Cigarettes only when inhaled.
How many are killed by smoking their pipes is a carefully hidden secret. Because it doesn't fit into the scheme of the campaigners and their sponsors.

Those who like a nicotine fix may try the Swedish variant of moist oral tobacco known as "snus", it is much safer than other types of oral tobacco (and, of course, will not give you lung cancer like cigarettes or smoked cannabis).

No but you'll get stomache cancer, jaw cancer, sinus cancer, etc.

There is really no safe means of tobacco use due to it's high addiction rate. Moderate use is fine, abuse is not. That's the same for all substances.

And I'm a smoker who abuses tobacco, SNUs are just another replacement mechanism considered more socially friendly since it can be done anywhere as opposed to only outside.

Those who like a nicotine fix may try the Swedish variant of moist oral tobacco known as "snus", it is much safer than other types of oral tobacco (and, of course, will not give you lung cancer like cigarettes or smoked cannabis).

No but you'll get stomache cancer, jaw cancer, sinus cancer, etc.

There is really no safe means of tobacco use due to it's high addiction rate. Moderate use is fine, abuse is not. That's the same for all substances.

And I'm a smoker who abuses tobacco, SNUs are just another replacement mechanism considered more socially friendly since it can be done anywhere as opposed to only outside.

Snus, like Copenhagen, is more difficult to kick. And it does induce cancers.