Coral can recover from climate change damage
January 9, 2010
A study by the University of Exeter provides the first evidence that coral reefs can recover from the devastating effects of climate change. Published Monday 11 January in the journal PLOS One, the research shows for the first time that coral reefs located in marine reserves can recover from the impacts of global warming.
Scientists and environmentalists have warned that coral reefs may not be able to recover from the damage caused by climate change and that these unique environments could soon be lost forever. Now, this research adds weight to the argument that reducing levels of fishing is a viable way of protecting the world's most delicate aquatic ecosystems.
Increases in ocean surface water temperatures subject coral reefs to stresses that lead quickly to mass bleaching. The problem is intensified by ocean acidification, which is also caused by increased CO2. This decreases the ability of corals to produce calcium carbonate (chalk), which is the material that reefs are made of.
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Acroporid corals. Heron Island, Great Barrier Reef, Australia. Video: reefvid.org, (c) PJ Mumby
Approximately 2% of the world's coral reefs are located within marine reserves, areas of the sea that are protected against potentially-damaging human activity, like dredging and fishing.The researchers conducted surveys of ten sites inside and outside marine reserves of the Bahamas over 2.5 years. These reefs have been severely damaged by bleaching and then by hurricane Frances in the summer of 2004. At the beginning of the study, the reefs had an average of 7% coral cover. By the end of the project, coral cover in marine protected areas had increased by an average of 19%, while reefs in non-reserve sites showed no recovery.
Professor Peter Mumby of the University of Exeter said: "Coral reefs are the largest living structures on Earth and are home to the highest biodiversity on the planet. As a result of climate change, the environment that has enabled coral reefs to thrive for hundreds of thousands of years is changing too quickly for reefs to adapt.
"In order to protect reefs in the long-term we need radical action to reduce CO2 emissions. However, our research shows that local action to reduce the effects of fishing can contribute meaningfully to the fate of reefs. The reserve allowed the number of parrotfishes to increase and because parrotfish eat seaweeds, the corals could grow freely without being swamped by weeds. As a result, reefs inside the park were showing recovery whereas those with more seaweed were not. This sort of evidence may help persuade governments to reduce the fishing of key herbivores like parrotfishes and help reefs cope with the inevitable threats posed by climate change".
Brief facts:
• A coral reef is made up of thin layers of calcium carbonate (limestone) secreted over thousands of years by billions of tiny soft bodied animals called coral polyps.
• Coral reefs are the world's most diverse marine ecosystems and are home to twenty-five percent of known marine species, including 4,000 species of fish, 700 species of coral and thousands of other plants and animals.
• Coral reefs have been on the planet for over 400 million years.
• The largest coral reef is the Great Barrier Reef, which stretches along the northeast coast of Australia, from the northern tip of Queensland, to just north of Bundaberg. At 2,300km long, it is the largest natural feature on Earth.
• Coral reefs occupy less than one quarter of one percent of the Earth's marine environment, yet they are home to more than a quarter of all known fish species.
• As well as supporting huge tourist industries, coral reefs protect shorelines from erosion and storm damage.
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Jan 09, 2010
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This is quite good news, actually--well, not for AGW alarmists, anyway.
This is one more of the ocean's many natural ph buffering mechanisms.
The more calcium carbonate available the harder it is for the oceans to truly acidify. The higher the available soluble calcium carbonate the more acid that is neutralized.
In addition, it means more bioavailable calcium carbonate for those lifeforms that use it to manufacture their shells and other carbonate structuresm such as corals.
The truth, people will find, is that climate change acid oceans are more the stuff of myth and alarmism than fact. The times when acidification really happened (at least, when they think they 'really' happened) usually occurred as a result of catastrophic processes also seen in some of the evidence.
Jan 09, 2010
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Too many assumptions, but it's good to hear corals are bouncing back rapidly.
Jan 09, 2010
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"Bleaching" of coral reefs is one way Bahamians chose to fish. It's illegal, but dumping a gallon of Clorox into the water over the reef kills all the fish which then float to the surface to be harvested.
Jan 09, 2010
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Sancho - I have seen similar things happen in Canada with explosives. I used to work in a mine and knew people that would snitch some stick explosives, set them off on a nearby lake and resulting the dead fish would provide supper.
I still wonder about the rapidity of the ocean acidification. Yes, it has happened before in the 400 million year existence of coral reefs - but natural processes are tied to geological time scales, giving the reefs time to 'mount defences' - develop biological mechanisms to ensure survival. Whereas we are increasing the acid level at what is a fraction of the time previously used.
Would this not have a large effect upon the survival possibilities of coral?
Jan 09, 2010
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Coral bleaching is the expulsion of the symbiotic algae that produces the sugars that coral polyps eat. When the algae is pushed out by the coral's immune system the coral becomes white in color, hence coral bleaching. As for using bleach to fish, that's ridiculous. I think you're referring to sodium cyanide fishing, inappropraitely called "bleach fishing" as it kills the symbiotic algae causing much the same look and effect as bleaching something would.
Jan 09, 2010
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I am not sure whether anyone really has done anything relative to the DNA of the coral algae to check for mutation. I also know that pollutants from land that make their way into the oceans do have a negative impact on sea corals and other sea fauna and flora. Another problem is the rise of UV radiation that has made its way to the surface.
Since the solar minimum UV radiation reaching the upper atmosphere has reduced so it is likely that the same can be measured for the reefs. In several cases of coral bleaching caused by increases of the temperature in, say, the Caribbean, the algae population was replaced by a hardier algae that are more adaptable to to rises in temperature. This has actually been observed in at least a couple places around the world.
As to those who say that we have increased acid levels in the sea, we have no real evidence of that considering that the ph of sea water still is slightly alkaline >7.0. 7.0 is the ph of pure water.
Jan 09, 2010
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Jan 09, 2010
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How about we find out WHY coral is dying, don't just blame it on junk science. Maybe if we do, we can find a solution.
Jan 09, 2010
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"Bleaching: In recent years, Bahamian fishermen have introduced the use of household bleach for the taking and capture of crawfish and scalefish. Bleach fishing is very destructive. Bleach kills the reefs and the coral becomes overgrown with algae or green moss. Some reefs are taken over by sea urchins. Most fish will leave the area of a bleached reef. One gallon of bleach can poison about 500,000 gallons of sea water!"
From:http://www.bahama...+Bahamas
Jan 10, 2010
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Jan 10, 2010
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Your assertion that somewhere along the line someone confused sodium cyanide for sodium hypochlorite certainly would seem more plausible given California's over reaction to chlorine toxicity skepticism is warranted.
At: Freethinking: Solutions help, alarmism only hinders solutions, agreed.
Jan 10, 2010
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Jan 10, 2010
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I'd check your stoichiometry on that one.
Jan 10, 2010
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Jan 11, 2010
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This makes no sense. Yes: life can adapt to SLOW changes in the environment. But we are talking about man-made (i.e. very fast) changes here.
It's the difference between evolving scales to feathers to wings over millennia and pushing someone off a cliff and expecting them to learn how to fly on the way down. The former is possible the latter...not so much.
Jan 11, 2010
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This decade (1999-2009) has seen an overall cooling trend. 2009 was said to be the ninth warmest year since the early industrial age (meaning that it actually was the second coolest; gotta watch the use of terms here).
Now, what do we see when we look at all the available proxies before their data got smoothed away? We see declines all over the place. We see the same in satellite data. We see the same in the raw ARGO data (that will be gone as they will be smoothing that data pretty soon).
Now what else do we see in the proxies? We see in the MXD data that approximately 1000 years ago things were more favorable for trees. What else do we see? We see a 1,000 cycle that has shown itself twice and may be taking a third time around. Prove that is not a third time rather than mankind's doing. Can you? Has anyone thus far done so? Not that I am aware...
Jan 11, 2010
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Plus your dramatic change is from a pH of 7.82 measured in 1850 to 7.78 measured in 2002. Not exactly a drastic change.
Jan 11, 2010
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Smaller organisms do not have buffer systems like larger ones so they are much more directly affected. The advantage of smaller systems is their numbers which give them a high number of mutants per generation and therefore a big chance for one of these to be able to survive. But one should note that this means a lot of the others dying out and a very small population surviving/repopulating the environment - which in itself holds other dangers (small starting populations mean little diversity and high susceptibility to new environmental dangers). Coral reefs can repopulate this way but this makes them extremely susceptible to a one-two punch.
We've already given them the first punch. It is time we pull our punches.
Jan 11, 2010
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Jan 11, 2010
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I'm not asking you to be reasonable. I'm asking you to be realistic.
Jan 11, 2010
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Do you even understand what is causing the pH flux?
Jan 12, 2010
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I suggest waiting for these factors to rest a bit and retaking the measurements. Then again, there still will be flux in overal pH as there always is in the oceans due to many factors.
Jan 12, 2010
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Temperature would be the primary driver of pH flux. The colder the water gets, the more acidic it gets due to solution of sulphur and carbon dioxide, in addition to that calium carbonate loses it's buffering capacity as temperature declines. Combo this with nitric acid run off from poor farming and irrigation practices and this becomes another factor for acidification assuming none of the pollutants are utilized by phytoplankton and coccliophores, which they are.
Jan 12, 2010
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http://i90.photob...vCO2.png
Notice that--if the data is correct--we still, in spite of a drop in overall pH, are within historical parameters as shown by the data for the -4000 mark.
There is not yet a need for alarm, therefore.
Let not the AGW adherents forget to downrank this information as quickly as possible. We wouldn't want visitors to this site to become aware of this information. But, be careful not to downrank too far. That tends to create curiosity in readers. :)
Jan 12, 2010
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Just to be fair (hockeystick-wise) is there any indication of why the big drop around 800CE? Was it a real drop or was there a different method of measurement giving significantly different results?
Jan 13, 2010
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I find that interpretation quite odd considering the substantial drop beginning in 800. But, no, the data in Liu et al., 2009 was measured across the board using δ11B (Boron isotope) proxies in the form of porite coral.
Also in the chart above, however, are the results of Flinders pH measurements by Pelejero et al., 2005. Consider the sharp flux in that data, too.
Liu et al. speculate that "variations of monsoon intensity during the mid-late Holocene may have driven the sea surface pH increase from the mid to late Holocene."
See Liu et al., "Instability of seawater pH in the South China Sea during the mid-late Holocene: Evidence from boron isotopic composition of corals", Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta
Volume 73, Issue 5, 1 March 2009, Pages 1264-1272.
Jan 13, 2010
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You can read the abstract and/or access the entire article here:
http://dx.doi.org...8.11.034
Jan 15, 2010
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Not true, whilst hard corals have been around for hundreds of millions of years the species present today are relatively recent, highly developed and evolved to their current conditions. Like other areas of high biodiversity specialisation is required to survive in an ever increasingly competitive environment. Unfortunately this makes them very susceptable to even small changes in their environment.
Jan 16, 2010
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I also would be interesting in seeing some references. :)
Jan 16, 2010
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http://jrscience....Fin.html
The mid-Triassic, of course, was something on the order of 228 million years ago.But, I, for one, wait with baited breath for references to come. :)
Jan 17, 2010
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I am not surprised Velanaris hasn't supplied a link as ha obviously understands that his argument is based on basic evolutionary science. Dachyphelan is confused by phylogenies, just because an organism looks similar to another doesn't mean they are the same thing...we won't even drift off to ecophylogenetics, would confuse the old boy ;-)
Would he provide a link to, say photosynthesis, if discussing plant adaptations to woodland shade or would he consider it so basic it shouldn't need to be referenced?
I have a link I would like to share showing the phylogeny of hard corals from an interesting paper discussing the evolution of corals from deep sea to shallow water. It shows that most studies species came about during the last 30 million years with many in the 5 million years. Link to follow in next comment.
Jan 17, 2010
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Sorry dachpyvelan but your assertion that modern day corals are very very basic would seem to be very wrong and your understanding of basic evolutionary science very lacking
Jan 17, 2010
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I never made any such assertion above. And, I do not sock-puppet. Nonetheless, it is true that in the scale of things--and in spite of a complex tree of phylogenetic and morphological diversity (which complexities I have never denied)--these coral creatures still are on the same order as jellyfish and sea anemonies.
Corals reproduce sexually, asexually, and by budding, depending upon circumstances and species. On the scale of things they really are quite simple life forms in spite of your peurile attempt at making them more complex than they really are.
In short, complex phytogenetic trees != complex lifeforms.
I suppose that you now will counter by misreading further genetic studies and tell us that jellyfish and sea anemonies are also complex forms of life like corals. :)
One thing else: What do delta-18O and other proxies tell us about pCO2 levels ppm and temperatures during the Cretaceous to 65 mya? The amount was higher than today, and much higher before.
Jan 18, 2010
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It will go a little over your head but you will get the picture. To describe these creatures, many in symbiotic relationships as 'simple life forms' is primary school education at best. Jellyfish and anemonies are indeed very complex life forms, as are corals, nematodes, arthropods and indeed bacteria.
You stated "In short, complex phytogenetic [sic] trees != complex lifeforms".Did you mean phylogenetic? Funny, the 't' and 'l' are a distance from each other on my keyboard...
Why do you want to deflect the discussion off topic? I'm sure if it is relevant to a topic then it can be discussed. Do't want to annoy the moderators do we.
Jan 18, 2010
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Yes, I was using one hand at the moment I typed that sentence and I acknowledge I mistyped at that moment. In addition, at the time I was reading a study concerning the use of certain phytochemicals (note the use of 't' in the word) in Ayurvedic medicine and the use of the substance in the treatment of inflammation and wound care.
But, a careful reading of my comment would have revealed that I did indeed know the correct spelling and usage of the correct word in spite of a following typist's error.
I have read the article and it does not say what you think it to say. Symbiotic relationships != complex lifeforms.
Even with possible lateral transfer of a gene between sybiotes doesn't make coral animals complex life. That is akin to saying that a mutual relationship between clown fish and sea anemonies make sea anemonies complex forms of life, too. Sigh...
Jan 18, 2010
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Careful. You could be undermining your case even further than you thought. The fact is, these forms of life formed the symbiotic relationship during the Triassic, as the above linked article you posted states, which indeed shows that the corals have undergone and survived extensive changes in overall CO2 and O2 levels in the sea--in some cases rapid changes.
Thanks for that article. It provides interesting evidence against your position on several fronts. It is strong evidence that a mechanism existed since the Triassic that may ensure coral survival.
Jan 18, 2010
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It is not a change of subject and is highly relevant to the subject of corals surviving climate change. The evidence suggests rather strongly that they will survive and will bounce back overall from climate change even on the order of catastrophic climate change as is evidenced from the proxies from the mid-Triassic to the present.
Again, what were the levels ppm of pCO2 during the relevant time period of the evolution of the kinds of aragonite corals we see today? This question is most pertinent to the question of coral surival and recovery.
Jan 19, 2010
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Unfortunately hard corals, once established, find it difficult to move!
You also seem to be confused about the nomenclature of corals, symbiotic corals have their scientific label, as do the symbiont's. However it is not unusual in biology to have two symbionts so totally independent on each other that they have one specific name, for instance the lichens.
Jan 19, 2010
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Sorry MikeyK, but increased biodiversity in the corals as well as in other forms of life took place explosively during times of high CO2. That is what the evidence suggests. Time to update.
Jan 19, 2010
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I'm not sure what your reasoning is about high CO2 and 'explosive' biodiversity. High CO2 occured after the KT event (caused by the Deccan Traps which was probably triggered of by the asteroid). 98% of colonial corals (those that make reefs etc) were wiped out, compared to around 60% of other corals. After this time there would be an 'explosive' as you call it rise in speciation.
As reef building corals only occur ten million years after the Triassic actually started in the fossil record I wouldn't find it surprising to see rapid diversification.
Jan 19, 2010
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Here's some information on the actual causes of reef building coral death. Typically associated with cyanobacteria. If you're unaware cyanobacteria was on the rise due to relative temperature increases in the shelf depth oceanic currents. Increases in temperature of the ocean, primarily heated by convection of the Earth, reduce oxygenation.
http://coris.noaa...iseases/
Jan 19, 2010
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However, aragonite corals similar to what we see today do appear to have had their beginning during the Triassic.
K-T and Deccan Traps occurred at and after the end of the Cretaceous. My question is specific to the period preceding these. Furthermore, the fact is that corals survived mass extinction events and rapid climate change. Your argument supports that. Levels of pCO2 also were on the order of 2,300 ppmv within 10,000 years of the KTB. The corals survived that! Many died off but many more came afterward during high CO2.
But, you also did not answer the question asked above. That question again was: What levels of pCO2 occurred during the mid-Triassic to the end of the Cretaceous 65 mya?
Jan 19, 2010
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My god, I think you've actually got to some understanding!
Of course the end of the Permian was when the cyanobacterium ruled the world as it were, also as a result of global warming.
Jan 19, 2010
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What were the levels of pCO2 ppmv between the mid-Triassic to 65 mya? Is that question really so hard for you to answer to answer?
The easy answer is that levels were higher than today and the corals thrived. But, this is not the precise answer I am asking of those who think increases in CO2 are going somehow to kill off coral.
The fact of the matter is, and the evidence of millions of years shows this and is in keeping with the title of the article above, coral can recover from climate change--even catastrophic climate change.
What man has introduced into the atmosphere pales in comparison to natural climactic events. The central point is, if corals survived mass-extinction events and truly catastophic climate change, what makes you or any other AGW believer think current levels of CO2--puny by comparison--will damage corals beyond recovery?
Jan 19, 2010
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I noticed that I missed responding to this part of the above comment. I never said that jellyfish, sea anemonies and corals "belong to the same Order" above (this would be a rather foolish thing to say, yes?) so this is yet another example of your misreading of the texts of others.
I said that they are on the same order, meaning that they all are simple forms of life in the overall scheme of things. They are all of phylum Cnidaria, however. Please do try again... :)
Jan 19, 2010
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If only it actually worked that way.
You have a few relationships backwards there as well as overly simplifying the process. The atmosphere does not have the ability or potential to warm the oceans being the most glaring of your miscalculations.
No, no it wasn't. It was due to a reddox effect caused by the Permian extinction event.
Jan 19, 2010
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Consider the following:
http://news.softp...02.shtml
It still may have happened but not necessarily the way commonly maintained.
As the article suggests, some of the evidence of geological "dead zones" may not be the evidence it is cracked up to be.
Nonetheless, it is of interest if even part of the story is true in spite of new findings. Corals evolved and developed in anoxic seas.
This would make sense because of the adoption of a symbiotic relationship with algae that ensured coral survival in anoxic waters, a relationship which would have provided oxygen to the animals in an anoxic environment and increased their chances of survival and competition.
Jan 27, 2010
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You have a few relationships backwards there as well as overly simplifying the process. The atmosphere does not have the ability or potential to warm the oceans being the most glaring of your miscalculations.
Oh dear oh dear, mis-reading again are we? I never stated that the atmosphere warms the ocean, I stated that warmer atmosphere = warmer oceans. There is less heat loss from oceans when the air above it is warmer, and more when the air above is cooler (disregarding for clarity the wind speed), duhh.
We all know and take it for granted that the sun heats up the ocean, why deniers have to keep mentioning this is a mystery, but I suppose they are trying to learn the basics.
Jan 27, 2010
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Nonetheless, you still leave unanswered the question above regarding CO2 levels ppmv from the mid-Triassic to the end of the Cretaceous. What were they?
Fact is, corals evolved in anoxic waters and are genetically capable of handling such conditions. In addition, as is clear from the above article and others like it, coral can recover from climate change damage--even catastrophic climate changes of the kinds survived by aragonite corals.