Space cannon to shoot payloads into orbit (w/ Video)
January 18, 2010 by Lin Edwards
Space gun. Image credit: John Hunter
(PhysOrg.com) -- A physicist has proposed using a 1.1 km (3,600 ft) cannon to deliver cargo into orbit, and says the cost would be around $250 per pound, a massive saving on the $5,000 per pound ($11,000 per kg) it currently costs to make deliveries using a rocket.
John Hunter, from the company Quicklaunch, which was set up by himself and two other scientists, bases its plans on previous work they carried out at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California. In 1992 Hunter and his colleagues fired a 130 m (425 ft) cannon built to test launch hypersonic engines. Its piston, driven by methane, compressed hydrogen gas that expanded up the barrel of the over-sized gun to shoot the projectile.
The Quicklaunch design has replaced the methane piston with a combustion system burning natural gas in a heat exchanger inside a chamber of hydrogen gas. The combustion system heats the hydrogen to 1,430˚C (2,600˚F), which increases the gas pressure by 500%. An operator then opens a valve to allow the hot, pressurized hydrogen into the 1100-meter-long barrel of the gun, where it instantly expands, shooting the projectile out and into space. As soon as the payload has left, an iris at the end of the barrel closes to capture the hydrogen for re-use. Once the projectile is launched, a small rocket engine then boosts the payload into a low-Earth orbit.
Hunter calculates the pressure would be sufficient to launch a 450 kg payload at six kilometers per second (13,000 mph). The process would produce 5,000 Gs, and so would only be suitable for rugged payloads such as strengthened satellites and rocket fuel. Hunter said the system could not be used as a people-launcher because a person shot out of the cannon "would probably get compressed to half their size," causing instant death.
Hunter said the heat generated would be short-lived, with the projectile clearing the atmosphere in under 100 seconds. He also said the projectiles may need to be designed so that outer layers could burn off.
Hunter's proposal is to operate the "Quicklauncher" from the ocean near the equator, where the Earth's faster rotation will help launch payloads into space. The cannon would float, with 490 m (1,600 ft) of it below the surface, where it would be stabilized by ballast. Operators would be able to swivel it as required to deliver the payload into different orbits.
Hunter plans to test a 3 meter prototype in a water tank in February, and a full-size cannon could be built within seven years, if Quicklaunch can raise the required $500 million. While this is a sizeable upfront cost, the potential savings in the long term are substantial, because the cannon is reusable. Its use would significantly reduce the cost of keeping the International Space Station in orbit.
The proposal was outlined in October in Boston, U.S., at the Space Investment Summit.
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Effects of marine sound and gas pollution could outway the cost benefit. Hiding the device way out in the ocean makes monitoring of potential harmful effects much more difficult.
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It was intended as a space program on the cheap - but was defunded after initial successes. His research was into balistics - not really space.
He saw an opportunity for more funding from Saddam in Iraq and went there. I know of no evidence that he was especially political - he just went where he could get his ideas funded.
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And you think this gun is going to be as quiet as a sonic boom?
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5000 Gs is a lot. Rocket/payload design would be prohibitively expensive. Probably cheaper to mine fuel from the moon and ship it to LEO.
Maintaining the linearity of the tube would be an even bigger challange. One bump/curve and the payload will destroy it. This is a hypothetical dream.
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http://en.wikiped..._Babylon
-for possibly launching satellites and droping them on Israel-
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"Hydrogen gas would burn from the friction"
-not without O2
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Depends on how you build it. If it were to be built with an outer shell and then the intervening space 'filled' with a vacuum there would not be much of a shock wave (only where supporting struts were to connect the shells would you have any transmission of soundwaves - and even that could be reduced by damper elements).
Once the proectile is in the air one can expect a fair amount of noise which would carry quite a distance. But I think maritime life could live with a bang every few weeks.
From what I see of other designs there would probably be individual hydrogen chambers parallel to the bore which would fire in sequence as the projectile passes by.
Certainly would pose a challenge for the robustness of the payload, though.
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That actually sounds great. Wonder what the trade-off of a high-up lake versus a non-equator location looks like.
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It doesn't appear to be connected to the ocean floor.
Without a stable mount or some kind of guide rigging, it's going to move simply being in the waves let alone firing it.
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Or would it just not have enough power to push something fast enough, no matter how long the barrel?
I'm thinking more like a rail gun.
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But why does it need to be in water? Why can't you just dig a hole, fill it with water and use that instead of a sea base that will be under pummeling by currents and corrosion by salt water? I wish there was more information on this.
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Lake Tahoe in Nevada in the US comes to mind
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If the payload has even minimal guidance then this is no problem (The mass of the entire system would render it pretty immune to wave motion. Look at the picture. there's an entire floating platform there to stabilize it. Even in extremely high winds such platforms barely move.
I'd suppose that this type of setup will be kilometers long (which is beyond the depth of any conveniently located lake). Also there are very few deep lakes along the equator which would be the best place to put this thing.
Two words: Too heavy.
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I seems that compressed gas launching may not be as powerful as magnetic field launching. When the Sydney project was conceived the idea was to launch the payload into orbit and the payload would then trigger its own motor to complete the maneuver. I am not sure how to protect the internal workings of the payload from the magnetic launch itself but I presume that a gas powered high G launch would be easier to shield than a magnetic High G launch.
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I have faith, but dude they are talking of propelling a car to 6 km/s with PRESSURIZED GAS. I would love to have more detail cause this seems a little absurd to me.
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Look into rail guns and the kind of forces they generate-
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The reason is that the speed of sound in hydrogen is much higher than for denser gases at the same pressure. The maximum speed of a projectile in a gun is limited to the speed of sound in the compressed gas that is propelling it. Some "air cannon" hobbyists use helium or hydrogen gas in their cannons for the same reason.
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This is amazing, and I agree with him about NASA. IT's ridiculous NASA has been around for 4 decades and hasn't done this yet...
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Did you watch the video?
This guy is giving a conference to scientists and potential investors, and he says they know they'll break the existing record(which he holds,) within 2 or 3 test shots...
External engine just makes so much sense, and he explains why rail guns don't work as well as advertised.
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I'm not sure I agree on the g-hardening issue. Sure, most electronics components are insensitive to high g-forces, but the craft they are proposing will have to feature some moving parts (attitude control at the very least). This may be a bit of a design challenge. Certainly not impossible but I think he downplays that part a bit.
Also I'd like to see some tests with liquid as part of the payload (since he is talking about liquid fuel for the final stage of the projectile). Compressibility/shockwave issues will have to be adressed.
Definitely something worth trying. Especially at the low price the initial two development stages would cost.