Unmanned U.S. frigates to stalk submarines (w/ Video)

February 4, 2010 by Lin Edwards report
U.S. Navy ship

U.S. Navy combat ship Freedom (LCS 1).

(PhysOrg.com) -- In the U.S. the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is planning to introduce unmanned frigates for long missions shadowing diesel-electric submarines.

The vessels, dubbed Anti-Submarine Warfare Continuous Trail Unmanned Vessels or ACTUVs, are designed to be unmanned, with only intermittent communication from operators on shore or on a ship, and to require no maintenance for months. They will also obey navigational rules and be able to avoid collisions at sea.

The three main objectives of the program are to build an “X-ship” that operates without anyone stepping aboard at any point in its operating cycle, secondly to demonstrate the technical viability of the system under “sparse remote supervisory control”, and thirdly to demonstrate the anti-submarine capability of the vessel and its “novel suite of sensors”. The ACTUV is unlike other unmanned vessels in that it is designed for global, independent deployment for months at a time.

Proponents claim crewless vessels would save the U.S. Navy money and free the expensive crewed ships from the routine work of continuously cruising the oceans shadowing submarines. The unmanned frigates would locate a by “pinging’ with active sonar to detect the submarine’s echoes, which means those on the submarine would know they have been detected. While nuclear submarines may be fast enough to escape the stalking frigate, fast and quiet diesel-electric submarines would not.

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Other unmanned vessels are already in use, with Israel deploying Unmanned Surface Vehicles (USVs), mainly for surveillance purposes, and the U.S. Navy deploying unmanned drones from its submarines.

is the research and development section of the U.S. Department of Defense, which is charged with the job of maintaining the U.S. military’s technological superiority and avoiding technological surprises that could threaten the nation’s security. It will host an unclassified “Industry Day” conference on the ACTUV program at the Liberty Conference Center in Arlington, Virginia on February 16 to discuss the program and address any questions.

More information: FBO announcement (pdf)

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googleplex
Feb 04, 2010

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I would be more impressed by a zero maintenance power plant and drive train than the autonomous computer.
Presumably they would have to heli in maintenance crews. If something did break.
Autonommous merchant ships make even more sense. Impossible to highjack as there are no controls!
Skeptic_Heretic
Feb 04, 2010

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Autonommous merchant ships make even more sense. Impossible to highjack as there are no controls!

Until you find a pirate with a knack for computer science, or a tugboat mountable EMP generator.
Nik_2213
Feb 04, 2010

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I can just see the prototype featuring in next 'James Bond' movie as the missing McGuffin-- Hijacked, of course !!
deatopmg
Feb 04, 2010

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"Unmanned U.S. frigates to stalk submarines (w/ Video)"

FRIGATE?

–noun
1. a fast naval vessel of the late 18th and early 19th centuries, generally having a lofty ship rig and heavily armed on one or two decks.
2. any of various types of modern naval vessels ranging in size from a destroyer escort to a cruiser, frequently armed with guided missiles and used for aircraft carrier escort duty, shore bombardment, and miscellaneous combat functions.
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1575–85; < MF frégate < It fregata, Sicilian fragata (> Sp, Catalan, Pg); of obscure orig.
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Apparently Lin Edwards knows little about navel vessels or just wanted to come up with a catchy, but misleading, headline.
Skeptic_Heretic
Feb 04, 2010

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Apparently Lin Edwards knows little about navel vessels or just wanted to come up with a catchy, but misleading, headline.
Uhm, they are frigates both by the definition you list (see 2.) and by the Naval code of ship classification.
NotAsleep
Feb 04, 2010

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Agreed, it's definitely a frigate. These are typically used as platforms for specialized devices as the definition above implies.
PMende
Feb 04, 2010

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Until you find a pirate with a knack for computer science, or a tugboat mountable EMP generator.

Right, because the average pirate will have access to these things.
antialias_physorg
Feb 04, 2010

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Well, the average AlKaida member had access to Drone footage.

Don't expect something like this to be hack-proof. Nothing is.
Skeptic_Heretic
Feb 04, 2010

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Right, because the average pirate will have access to these things.


I'm sure when they developed gunpowder the same was said of cannonry.
fixer
Feb 04, 2010

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What a ridiculous idea.
Pinging a submarine with a robot.
I expect said submariners would stick a torpedo into it or lay a couple of mines in it's path.
Is this news a serious item of science?
I think not!
designmemetic
Feb 04, 2010

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maybe the real selling point is it won't have any real people who might get in the way by insisting on human rights or following the military code of law. That seems to cause the politicians more problems than paying for manpower.
Gannet
Feb 05, 2010

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I think the Navy should consider using the train dolphins similar to ones used for finding buried mines for shadowing submarines.
dk2009
Feb 06, 2010

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I think the Navy should consider using the train dolphins similar to ones used for finding buried mines for shadowing submarines.

I don't think a dolphin could chase a submarine for hours or days on end, and eat, and rest.
OZGuy
Feb 07, 2010

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If it's unmanned then what's to stop the sub surfacing and the crew taking control of it?

Additionally if someone needs a vessel to perform a terrorist act then board one of these and steer it into an oil tanker. The U.S.A would get the blame...
Skeptic_Heretic
Feb 07, 2010

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If it's unmanned then what's to stop the sub surfacing and the crew taking control of it?
If it's unmanned, what makes you think there are accessible controls?
OZGuy
Feb 07, 2010

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If it's unmanned then what's to stop the sub surfacing and the crew taking control of it?

Additionally if someone needs a vessel to perform a terrorist act then board one of these and steer it into an oil tanker. The U.S.A would get the blame...
yyz
Feb 07, 2010

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I would think some sort of protection system for the ship would be employed to prevent it from being disabled. Deck mounted weapons as shown in the video seems like an obvious, low-tech step.
OZGuy
Feb 07, 2010

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If it's unmanned, what makes you think there are accessible controls?


Anything anyone builds can be tampered with, especially given time. At a minimum the vessel has a rudder and that can be manipulated.

Suchros
Feb 07, 2010

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At a minimum the vessel has a rudder and that can be manipulated.

If you'd follow marine tech you'd know there will necessarily be no rudder-more manouverable that way. But anyhow, usage of these should only be during near combat-situation otherwise one'd be captured and its vulnerabilities taken advantage of pretty soon. Better get that self-destruct thing inside-that inflatable thing could sink it just enough for it to be able to mimic a mine even.
fixer
Feb 07, 2010

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I can see the headlines,
Unmanned American ship sinks tourist sub, kills occupants.
Last time I looked it wasn't illegal to own or operate a sub in international waters.
Oil companies, Researchers and even treasure hunters use subs and they are not answerable to the Yanks.
Even just pinging a sub for hours on end would be regarded as an act of agression for a foreign power who would be quite justified in removing the nuisance.
Sancho
Feb 08, 2010

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Ships in low visibility conditions sometimes collide even though manned. Small boats are occasionally run down by fast moving freighters despite lookouts. Hopefully, these drone ships will be unmarked so no one will know whom to blame when a frigate plows into a supertanker one foggy night off the California coast.
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