Researchers Rediscover the Structure of Water
February 26, 2010 by Kelen Tuttle
Researchers at SSRL recently determined the distances between the molecules in this jet of flowing water. (Image courtesy the research team)
(PhysOrg.com) -- A team of researchers at the Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Lightsource has found the molecular structure of water to be more complex than recently thought, suggesting that molecular models that went out of fashion decades ago may be in fact more accurate than recent ones.
"The study of water has a very long history," said lead author Ling Fu, who is a postdoc at the Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique in France and who wrote her PhD thesis on these results. "Other researchers have done a very good job in their measurements; I hope that this work helps advance the field."
By recording how SSRL's X-ray beam scattered off a flowing jet of water, Fu and colleagues Arthur Bienenstock and Sean Brennan were able to determine the distances between the water molecules in the jet. As recent models predicted, they saw molecules 0.28 and 0.45 nanometers apart. These measurements confirm the current commonly accepted model, which describes liquid water as a group of water molecules held together in tetrahedral shapes, with the molecule at the center of the tetrahedron separated from four others at the shorter distance and each of these four molecules separated from one another at the longer distance.
Yet the researchers saw some molecules at a third distance as well: 0.34 nanometers. The existence of this third separation length, though not included in the current model, was first seen in 1938. Additional experiments in the 1960s and 1970s first confirmed, but later rejected, that this length exists, concluding that its detection was due to shortcomings in the analysis. As a result, models including this intermediate distance fell out of favoruntil now.
That the SSRL researchers have now observed this intermediate separation length using modern-day technology suggests that "there's something more going on here" beyond the currently accepted model, Fu said.
These results suggest that liquid water's structure is not completely tetrahedral, but rather has some added complexity. But they do not fully solve the mystery of water's structure because the data taken at SSRL only reveal the distances between water molecules, not the angles of the bonds. "More research is needed to see the complete picture," said Brennan.
Fully understanding the structure of water is a surprisingly difficult task. In water's solid form, ice, the molecules are known to form a tight tetrahedral lattice. The current model holds that liquid water should be similar to ice but less structured since heat creates disorder and breaks bonds. In liquid water, then, the tetrahedral structures would loosen their grip, breaking apart as the temperature rises, but still inclined to remain as tetrahedral as possible. This new research adds a kink in this theory, requiring some sort of secondary structure. The greater density of liquid water implies that the molecules are more closely packed than the simple tetrahedra seen in ice. These data help explain how that can happen.
The baton, Brennan said, is now in the hands of the theorists. "I think of this type of research as a relay race: The experimentalists run for a while until they can't explain something they've seen, and then the theorists run for a while until they can't go any farther without more data, and then it's back to the experimentalists," he said. "So, this time, we're saying that it's time for the theorists to run their leg."
Provided by Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Lightsource
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The whole trick at the case of water is, these phenomena applies only to quite tiny distance, to which hydrogen bonds are relevant - so that at the macroscopic scale the water behavior doesn't differ very much from common fluid behavior.
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I believe, this behavior would be rather easy to simulate by ab-initio calculations of interactions of water molecules inside of water clusters - only the relatively large number of particle involved makes it difficult to describe by formal math. Mainstream physics isn't really good in description of multiparticle emergent phenomena, for example the formal description of HT superconductivity is a problem of similar category.
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In this way I imagine the splitting of hydrogen bounds in water during passing of quite low frequency radiowaves.
http://en.wikiped..._Kanzius
Without presence of clusters the water would behave like sand in box, during shaking of which no observable abrasion occurs, because of low inertia of tiny particles.
BTW In this way we could explain the cold fusion of deuterions in palladium lattice, where these particles are forming more compact clusters, too. Maybe the energizing of palladium lattice saturated by deuterium would be the key to cold fusion. For example, prof. Arata used laser pulses for these purposes.
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The huge intrinsic pressure between water molecules manifests for example by slipperiness of ice, which is covered by thin layer of liquid watter even bellow -53 °C.
http://people.vir...ay05.pdf
Inside of this thin layer of water ballistic transport of water molecules occurs - the water is partially in superfluous state here. This could explain crackling and crunching of fresh cold snow under your feet. In hellium with perfectly spherical atoms such supersolidity could be observed just bellow few Kelvin temperature!
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Go read the article, then read your comments and you tell me.
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Horizontal water jet was used, because it eliminates scattering from a container and precludes radiation-induced bubble formation from the intensive X-ray SPEAR3 source.
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It's apparent, under stress emergent linear pattern emerge in packing structure of beads. In water these patterns are of sparse icosahedral structure.
http://images.goo...clusters
This phase transition has a deeper meaning in aether theory and in string heterotic theories, which are based on most effective hypersphere packing density. The high internal stress of water molecules results into compactification of octahedral structure into icosahedral one in process of so called heterosis. In LQG theory this process is described by dynamic causual triangulation. Compare the Aristotelian theory of four elements, where watter is assigned just to icosahedron Platonic solid.
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Snooze---you loose. Alternate takes and research have always been ahead of the mainstream, and always will be. The leading edge is never in the textbooks, and never will be.