Atom smasher achieves 'Big Bang' collisions (Update)

Has the earth been destroyed yet? Someone please send me a PM when it happens.

Let's ask our magical genie for help:

http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/

That's odd. I could have sworn I had a pair of pants on a minute ago...

So what did it "Smash" Atoms or Protons? and how long does it take for the black hole to grow big enough to swallow the earth again? Is it instant or does it take a few billion years? Hmmm, I think am I still here? or maybe we all just got sucked into another set of dimensions? Is the moon still there or did that come with us? Please can some of the experts here advise?

The doomsday experts are missing here. Where have they gone?

How exciting.. I look forward to the preliminary results whenever they will be!

So what did it "Smash" Atoms or Protons?

A proton is a hydrogen ion so technically, both.

Funny how no one is here crying about blackholes and aether theory.

Funny how no one is here crying about blackholes and aether theory.

Maybe the fact that we aren't dead yet scared them away? That's probably too much to hope for. I bet every time they ramp up to higher energies the doomsayers will resurface and say "OK _this_ time it'll kill us. No, really!"

Tevatron can collide protons at 1.96 TeV. The LHC's 2x 3.45 TeV is not so huge drop in collisions energy for to expect disaster right today. But if there nonzero probability exists, we can expect it for sure - no matter, how small it really is.

For example the probability of cold fusion by existing theories is less then 10-74 per second - but cold fusion still routinelly occurs with high yields.

http://www.icenes.../Session 15C/TUNNELING.pdf

It's a complete shame people fear what they do not understand, or they embrace it. Whatever's good for Deepak Chopra. 13.9 billion a year on Alternative Medicine in America, yet cuts to NASA.

I can see this discussion happening again and again each time we increase the energy level of the collisions.

For example the probability of cold fusion by existing theories is less then 10-74 per second - but cold fusion still routinelly occurs with high yields.

Any proof of high yield LENR or are you just passing more ignorance off as fact?

Yea but can it make better twinkies?

Just Hype! Is there any news? Any discovery? They just pumped more watts in the coffe machine!

Maybe it is all new news to them - now they're trapped in a reciprocating wormhole.

How do they use the headline they do, when no one has a clue what the Big Bang was?

As fascinating as this project is, weren't they trying to find the fundamentals of atomic structure not reproduce a universe creating phenomenon?

@LKD Good science rarely equates to good sciene reporting...

We don't understand what caused the big bang, but we understand the theory quite well within a certain amount of time after the big bang, this event re created the energies and forces that occurred very close to the big bag, as was said to within a billionth of a second. At the same time this allows them to find the fundamental structure of the universe to a greater extent because at that time and those energies particles existed that do not naturally exist today and instead rapidly decay into other particles, the electron, the up and down quarks and the electron neutrino mostly. The experiment is not creating a universe, rather just pulling ours apart and looking at all the possible constituents and how they interact, the question of why is still pressing.

These people know it might be dangerous, yet they continue anyway!

From Wikipedia: Mad Scientist:
...Mad scientists also, whilst definitely being intelligent, if not necessarily brilliant, usually fail to think things through to their conclusion...

Some excerpts from the LSAG (CERN safety committee) summary report:

Collisions at the LHC differ from cosmic-ray collisions with astronomical bodies like the Earth in that new particles produced in LHC collisions tend to move more slowly than those produced by cosmic rays. Stable black holes could be either electrically charged or neutral.

If stable microscopic black holes had no electric charge, their interactions with the Earth would be very weak. Those produced by cosmic rays would pass harmlessly through the Earth into space, whereas those produced by the LHC could remain on Earth.

... So just what do they think stable, neutral black holes, which remain on Earth, might do next?

It'll take more than the energy of 7 flying mosquitos to impress me, let alone create a black hole.

Some excerpts from the LSAG (CERN safety committee) summary report:

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... So just what do they think stable, neutral black holes, which remain on Earth, might do next?

I don't know, why don't you find the one we jsut formed at the energy stated in your paper and tell us what it's doing.

Oh wait, THERE ISN'T ONE!

Who gives a shit - if a black hole forms and we all get sucked into it, we won't care anyways because we'll be too busy looking for something to grab onto, and by then it'll be all over. Enjoy it while your still alive, heck, they might even discover something incredible. This is the next step of action into future discovery. We either move on, or stop here because it's too dangerous. And if we stop here, then whats the point of living anyways? Wake up everyday, drive to the office, drink your coffee.. thats it. nothing else. We need to move forward. We've been moving forward for 6 billion years.

its nice to know that as they crank up the energy there are a couple of webcams monitoring the action.
the first is in the main ATLAS hall, the second, bizarrely, points out of one of the lab windows into a field full of sheep.
check out CERN in real-time................

http://www.cyriak...ams.html

What is the current going price of a microscopic black hole on eBay, anyway?

Can i store my healing potions in this black hole?

Who gives a shit - if a black hole forms and we all get sucked into it, we won't care anyways because we'll be too busy looking for something to grab onto, and by then it'll be all over. Enjoy it while your still alive, heck, they might even discover something incredible. This is the next step of action into future discovery. We either move on, or stop here because it's too dangerous. And if we stop here, then whats the point of living anyways? Wake up everyday, drive to the office, drink your coffee.. thats it. nothing else. We need to move forward. We've been moving forward for 6 billion years.

This is pretty much it in my opinion too. We didn't know what would happen when we set off the first a-bomb. We didn't know what would happen when we broke the sound barrier. We have to move forward...or someone else will and they might not be nice.

So just what do they think stable, neutral black holes, which remain on Earth, might do next?

Something different from a stable, neutral MICRO-black hole presumably?

Who gives a shit - if a black hole forms and we all get sucked into it, we won't care anyways because we'll be too busy looking for something to grab onto, and by then it'll be all over. Enjoy it while your still alive, heck, they might even discover something incredible. This is the next step of action into future discovery. We either move on, or stop here because it's too dangerous. And if we stop here, then whats the point of living anyways? Wake up everyday, drive to the office, drink your coffee.. thats it. nothing else. We need to move forward. We've been moving forward for 6 billion years.

This just serves to show that LHC proponents really don't care about life.

This is pretty much it in my opinion too. We didn't know what would happen when we set off the first a-bomb.

Actually, we did (generally speaking).

We didn't know what would happen when we broke the sound barrier.

Again, not true.

We have to move forward...or someone else will and they might not be nice.

Oh brother. Like anyone else is even close to building another LHC.

Dude, they amped the big machine up and we're all still here. What does that mean? It means the crazy talk about getting sucked up into a black hole was just plain wrong.

I suffer from low self esteem and a high sense of self loathing. Personally, I'm rooting for the black hole.

Where are all the skeptics, conspiracy bluffs and where are all the pissed off people who thought the world was gonna get sucked into a black hole and the world as we know it will be destroyed? hmmm... I sure hope we don't get Fckd up by strangelets... go visit lhcdefense.org (citizens against lhc).. read the risks, and tell me you don't wanna open a beer and point and laugh. Come on people how dumb do you have to be to believe that sh** lol

Hmm... the LHC will run at 14TeV sometime after 2011... so... 2012.

Hmm... Mayans and the new age of man.

In all seriousness, I think the entire universe, based on every action having an equal and opposite reaction, is a black hole, which explains the big bang to begin with. I think we're going to see our endpoint being the same as our startpoint when this goes down.

...I'm honestly not sure where the idea of black holes comes from, besides high energy states and everything, or why it's on everyone's agenda.

What worries me more is that it will be...another big bang. Sooo...either, there would be a universe inside of the collider, or it would blow the earth up as another universe expands inside our current one. Either way, I kinda like life. I can live my life without knowing either way how the universe was formed. I'm not sure how it would affect anyone if they knew...

Anyone wondering if this could attract the attention of some other intelligent life forms.
(assuming there is something very special happening at these 'high' energy levels)

Dude, they amped the big machine up and we're all still here. What does that mean? It means the crazy talk about getting sucked up into a black hole was just plain wrong.

Oh brother. No one with any knowledge said it could be an instant disaster. The quickest estimates are about five years. I doubt any danger might be apparent in my lifetime.

Hmm... the LHC will run at 14TeV sometime after 2011... so... 2012.

Hmm... Mayans and the new age of man.

In all seriousness, I think the entire universe, based on every action having an equal and opposite reaction, is a black hole, which explains the big bang to begin with. I think we're going to see our endpoint being the same as our startpoint when this goes down.

Mayan calendar predicts an age of great enlightenment, not destruction. A little research into your proposed doomsday date would serve you well.

"I don't know the same things you don't know" used to be the common bond of everyone in simpler times. in these days of widespread access to virtually unlimited information, it's changed to "The things I know are not the same things you know" which is fracturing us into tiny societies of one.

Mayan calendar predicts an age of great enlightenment, not destruction. A little research into your proposed doomsday date would serve you well.

Skeptic, I don't think Fekarah was foretelling 'doomsday'. In fact, "New age of man" sounds a bit opposite to me.

I personally think we're going to see Kurzweil's Technological Singularity start to take off around this time.

Skeptic, I don't think Fekarah was foretelling 'doomsday'. In fact, "New age of man" sounds a bit opposite to me.

I personally think we're going to see Kurzweil's Technological Singularity start to take off around this time.

So you missed the point where he said our end would be due to this, did you?

Honestly, do you think a physics web site is the best place to find naysayers and skeptics?

Exactly my point jevchance. I took Fekarah's comment about the endpoint being the same as the startpoint; as being a sort of ouroborus statement.

Maybe the fractal nature of the universe?

Hmm... the LHC will run at 14TeV sometime after 2011... so... 2012.

Hmm... Mayans and the new age of man.

In all seriousness, I think the entire universe, based on every action having an equal and opposite reaction, is a black hole, which explains the big bang to begin with. I think we're going to see our endpoint being the same as our startpoint when this goes down.

Ignoring the fact that nothing earth-shattering will happen in 2012, the LHC is going to be offline that year to finish some upgrades and it won't be up until 2013.

Well now were locked in the branch of parallel universes that have performed the 7TEV collision, Lets roll the dice quick at 14TEV so we know the final answer again. and to all you party poopers:Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who.

I believe this link is appropriate here: http://thepoorman...warming/
So far this thread is only two firefoxes. Better get cracking to get higher than that on an awesomeness scale.

You dorks are all gloating, but I dont remember anyone saying that a black hole would destroy the earth THE DAY ITS CREATED! Bunch of children in here...

I've done quite a bit of research. This one of many prophecies states that new age of man is brought on by enlightenment through ether -- the unseen. I never mentioned anything of destruction. Merely a great cyclical end and the start point at a new zero.

Mayan calendar predicts an age of great enlightenment, not destruction. A little research into your proposed doomsday date would serve you well.

I don't think collisions will cause a black hole that will destroy Earth. We'd have to be using a lot more energy to get something theoretical like that to happen.

I do theorize that our big bang is the result of another dimension's black hole, and our entire dimension is the result of that. Therefor, we are product of a great universal cycle.

You dorks are all gloating, but I dont remember anyone saying that a black hole would destroy the earth THE DAY ITS CREATED! Bunch of children in here...

Thanks for getting to what I was alluding.

Exactly my point jevchance. I took Fekarah's comment about the endpoint being the same as the startpoint; as being a sort of ouroborus statement.

Maybe the fractal nature of the universe?

maybe a future black hole or disaster could be called overconfidence.

from bernards to AndyGordon:

We must be very concerned if a black hole is created by the CERN collider. Look what happened to Stephen Hawking! I suspect he is in the process of being sucked into the black hole he has created himself. It would be terrible if that happens to me, or you, or Swiss citizens. Don't you think so?

AndyGordon (3/30):
Who gives a shit - if a black hole forms and we all get sucked into it, we won't care anyways because we'll be too busy looking for something to grab onto, and by then it'll be all over. Enjoy it while your still alive, heck, they might even discover something incredible. This is the next step of action into future discovery. We either move on, or stop here because it's too dangerous. And if we stop here, then whats the point of living anyways? Wake up everyday, drive to the office, drink your coffee.. thats it. nothing else. We need to move forward. We've been moving forward for 6 billion years

Well now were locked in the branch of parallel universes that have performed the 7TEV collision, Lets roll the dice quick at 14TEV so we know the final answer again. and to all you party poopers:Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who.

Oh my. Wasn't expecting to see a Monty Python reference, haha.

@Bloodoflamb: well nobody expects the LHC Inquisition either!

@bonkers,
A crack up. Thanks. Glad I went without my usual hyperstrength coffee today.

Hey PHYSORG COPYREADERS: the correct spelling is
"teraelectronvolts"

whats interesting is we still don't know what the universe is. something from nothing? a pos/neg "disturbance" which also equals nothing, is it all something from nothing? and ,,, where exactly is this nothing?

The black hole has been created. It expanded and engulfed our universe instantaneously. We look into deep space and the cosmic bacground radiation is the event horizon.
"Everything is moving away from us" is not entirely true: in fact, we are at the center and are being pulled away from everything else. But since we are the center, it appears that everything is receeding from us.

Or at least that's what happened here, nearly 14 billion years ago.

If this machine is working with energies that were present at the Big Bang wouldn't it be awesome if we accidentally created a universe? I think that would be sweet. Becoming God sounds cool.

Fear of the unknown again causes irrationality as researching the origins can produce enlightenment. I welcome the unknown because I overcame my fear of enlightenment...

Personally, I am looking forward to our being sucked into a black hole. Didn't you guys see the movie? Jeez...

There's no black hole! It's just lots of fun to smash things together to see what happens. Boys experiment this way all the time. Girls enjoy it too. It's fun!

This could be the 3rd or 4th or 100th time a civilization has ramped up power on an atom smasher that then created another universe. Maybe that's why we haven't been contacted by aliens because they blew themselves up and we are just an outcome of their experiment. Or maybe aliens are watching us and will swoop in when we get to close to blowing up the universe. Or maybe we should just relax and let science do some great work! I like living too but I like technology and the advancement of the human race. Remember, our existance is actually the universe becoming aware of itself. we must continue to ask questions and find the answers or life as we know it has already died anyway. Grab a Mich Ultra and enjoy the spring!

Here is the Psycology of the issue...
Prehistoric man played with fire - he got burnt.

Couple of crazy guys get in a flying machine - they get killed and a few on the ground.

Nuclear reactor blow up? - couple thousand people get killed.

CERN blows up (figuratively) humanity gets killed.

The scope of science has expanded at a frightening pace. From Genetic corn that won't produce seeds (to keep the company rolling in bucks) to accelerators that "could" suck the earth into a black hole.

I have no initials after my name but I can see how society is reacting and perhaps it is time we all took a deep breath and re-think some of our choices?

Fools rush in where angles fear to tread!

You know what's going to happen, in 2012? Neither do I, but here's what I *think* will happen: a lot of people are going to get scared, due to media hype, misinformation, and the works of the *fiction* author Zecharia Sitchin, and the nonsensical ramblings of Nancy Lieder.

These poor sods will get all worked up, and might even congregate somewhere, but really? The only cataclysm that will happen will be a result of either war, or the collective idiocy of these gullible sheeple.

In short, NOTHING TERRIBLE IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN 2012! I doubt there will even be anything significant at *all*.

Can your desk calendar predict the future? Neither can mine. Thank you for playing, but you're delusional.

well you could always think of it like this -- the calendar in general if based on the birth of Christ is already about 4 years off to the positive... at least what i learned in grade school -- so 2012 was really a couple years ago and as scared as we all were at Isreal bombing Lebanon a nuclear war did not happen.

.. a lot of people are going to get scared, due to media hype, misinformation..

Nope, due the LHC experiments. All the rest is just a consequence of it. Now the question is, whether people are willing to pay for to be scared, if they don't get any progress? LHC experiments will not have usage in another fifty years, if we have no usage for any particle from colliders, prepared during last seventy years. In another way, we are paying by fear for useless experiments, done only for few irresponsible scientists, wanting to keep their jobs.

Let me compute pros & negs for a while...

Nope, due the LHC experiments. All the rest is just a consequence of it. Now the question is, if people are willing to pay to be scared, if they don't get any progress. LHC experiments will not have usage in another fifty years, if we have no usage for any particle from colliders, prepared during last seventy years. In another way, we are paying by fear for useless experiments, done only for few irresponsible scientists, wanting to keep their jobs.

Let me count for a while...

Utter nonsense. We're already reaping reward from collisions performed at the RHIC last year. We've developed new methods of thought and new hypotheses based on low energy LHC collisions.

In short, what are you on?

"You" developed anything useful. I developed hundreds of ideas during last five years without single experiment and aditional cost expressed in money - just by combining previous knowledge.

The only people creating fear are those that are misusing science and telling people to be afraid of LHC.

By the way, aren't you supposed to be out carrying a sign in front of CERN, seneca? Why are you wasting time posting when you could be protesting?

"You" developed anything useful. I developed hundreds of ideas during last five years without single experiment and aditional cost expressed in money - just by combining previous knowledge.

The spork was invented before you came up with the idea.

The faulty start up of the LHC and failure of the tokamac type fusion experiment @ someother place is due to the use of Indian equipment , they mug-up and practice the subject model papers and write IIT and IIM entrance exams and the competition is very dirty and unhealthy.

Why are you wasting time posting when you could be protesting?

I do prefer to spread arguments against LHC safety, rather the blind protests.

If anybody has read the story of John Titor, the time traveler, you would know that one of the predictions from the future, is that mini blackholes from the LHC experiment are what makes time travel possible.

If this happens then his story is true.