Science historian cracks the 'Plato code'
June 28, 2010
(PhysOrg.com) -- A science historian at The University of Manchester has cracked "The Plato Code" - the long disputed secret messages hidden in the great philosopher's writings.
Plato was the Einstein of Greece's Golden Age and his work founded Western culture and science. Dr Jay Kennedy's findings are set to revolutionise the history of the origins of Western thought.
Dr Kennedy, whose findings are published in the leading US journal Apeiron, reveals that Plato used a regular pattern of symbols, inherited from the ancient followers of Pythagoras, to give his books a musical structure. A century earlier, Pythagoras had declared that the planets and stars made an inaudible music, a 'harmony of the spheres'. Plato imitated this hidden music in his books.
The hidden codes show that Plato anticipated the Scientific Revolution 2,000 years before Isaac Newton, discovering its most important idea - the book of nature is written in the language of mathematics. The decoded messages also open up a surprising way to unite science and religion. The awe and beauty we feel in nature, Plato says, shows that it is divine; discovering the scientific order of nature is getting closer to God. This could transform today's culture wars between science and religion.
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"Plato's books played a major role in founding Western culture but they are mysterious and end in riddles," Dr Kennedy, at Manchester's Faculty of Life Sciences explains.
"In antiquity, many of his followers said the books contained hidden layers of meaning and secret codes, but this was rejected by modern scholars.
"It is a long and exciting story, but basically I cracked the code. I have shown rigorously that the books do contain codes and symbols and that unraveling them reveals the hidden philosophy of Plato.
"This is a true discovery, not simply reinterpretation."
This will transform the early history of Western thought, and especially the histories of ancient science, mathematics, music, and philosophy.
Dr Kennedy spent five years studying Plato's writing and found that in his best-known work the Republic he placed clusters of words related to music after each twelfth of the text - at one-twelfth, two-twelfths, etc. This regular pattern represented the twelve notes of a Greek musical scale. Some notes were harmonic, others dissonant. At the locations of the harmonic notes he described sounds associated with love or laughter, while the locations of dissonant notes were marked with screeching sounds or war or death. This musical code was key to cracking Plato's entire symbolic system.
Dr Kennedy, a researcher in the Centre for the History of Science, Technology and Medicine, says: "As we read his books, our emotions follow the ups and downs of a musical scale. Plato plays his readers like musical instruments."
However Plato did not design his secret patterns purely for pleasure - it was for his own safety. Plato's ideas were a dangerous threat to Greek religion. He said that mathematical laws and not the gods controlled the universe. Plato's own teacher had been executed for heresy. Secrecy was normal in ancient times, especially for esoteric and religious knowledge, but for Plato it was a matter of life and death. Encoding his ideas in secret patterns was the only way to be safe.
Plato led a dramatic and fascinating life. Born four centuries before Christ, when Sparta defeated plague-ravaged Athens, he wrote 30 books and founded the world's first university, called the Academy. He was a feminist, allowing women to study at the Academy, the first great defender of romantic love (as opposed to marriages arranged for political or financial reasons) and defended homosexuality in his books. In addition, he was captured by pirates and sold into slavery before being ransomed by friends.
Dr Kennedy explains: "Plato's importance cannot be overstated. He shifted humanity from a warrior society to a wisdom society. Today our heroes are Einstein and Shakespeare - and not knights in shining armour - because of him."
Over the years Dr Kennedy carefully peeled back layer after symbolic layer, sharing each step in lectures in Manchester and with experts in the UK and US.
He recalls: "There was no Rosetta Stone. To announce a result like this I needed rigorous, independent proofs based on crystal-clear evidence.
"The result was amazing - it was like opening a tomb and finding new set of gospels written by Jesus Christ himself.
"Plato is smiling. He sent us a time capsule."
Dr Kennedy's findings are not only surprising and important; they overthrow conventional wisdom on Plato. Modern historians have always denied that there were codes; now Dr Kennedy has proved otherwise.
He adds: "This is the beginning of something big. It will take a generation to work out the implications. All 2,000 pages contain undetected symbols."
Plato quoted:
“Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.”
“If women are expected to do the same work as men, we must teach them the same things.”
“Ignorance: the root of all evil.”
“Only the dead have seen the end of war.”
“The price good men pay for indifference to publiuc affairs is to be ruled by evil men.”
“Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.”
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Plato's going to have to come up with something better than this to convince me that god exists.
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"Plato's going to have to come up with something better than this to convince me that god exists"
With all due respect, opinions about that topic don't really matter, do they? ..unless it's somehow important to you that other people agree with you.
"Looks like it clearly describes the last 8 yrs of Bush and cronies"
I would expand your 8 year time frame to include both the Clinton and Obama presidencies, but I think a much better example of evil men ruling due to good men not paying attention would be the United Nations.
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Did you expect to get anything of value for free?
Besides which- what guarantee do we have, other than Kennedy's- that there is anything at all of note in this supposed encoded philosophy?
Haven't we already been enlightened by the Secret Bible Code? The Gospel of J? The DaVinci Code? Code this? Code that?
Almost every passing day provides us with some new claim of a seeker- against all odds, somehow -miraculously- doing the unthinkable- what others have struggled for millenia to accomplish- and recover some lost knowledge from antiquity, that Humankind ignore at their peril.
Kennedy will be more than happy to sell you this enlightenment, so don't worry. I would suggest, however, that you not get your hopes up that it will transform our world in any significant way.
To our everlasting sorrow, I believe that BP is more likely to do
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If Kennedy has, in fact, stumbled upon the wisdom of the ages, and has received some scientific/spiritual enlightenment- what do you suppose the odds are that he would RETAIL that transformative knowledge to the rest of Humanity?
According to the stories, this isn't how Illumination comes into the world. Gautama, Christ, Muhammed- none of them PEDDLED their wisdom to the people, so why would this guy?
We can hope for some real wisdom, but I would expect little more than some quaint aphorisms, a la Aesop. I hope I'm wrong, but I'll wait and see.
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Stop expecting everything to work nicely together. If two views offer contradicting data, then you must pick the most sensible and realize the other is wrong. Contradicted views will never be reconciled, that is why they are contradicting. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Accept the validity of science for deny it, you cannot pick and choose.
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"The awe and beauty we feel in nature, Plato says, shows that it is divine; discovering the scientific order of nature is getting closer to God"
Clearly the above statement is saying that nature is god. Again, be careful, as another term for nature here could be reality. The thing us physorg readers often forget (me too), is that language is a very slippery thing.
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Like Christopher Hitchens says, stop saying God means love or nature or beauty. Just use the words "love, nature, or beauty". You know the stigma that the word "God" has in our society. You are being deceptive to say "God is....".
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-uh, which god would that be? Apollo perhaps- god of knowledge and oracles? Greeks were polytheists. The author of this article reveals their ignorance of -lots- and perhaps a hidden religionist agenda.
As stargate enkai pointed out above, Plato was not much of a scientist.
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Do not forget that at the time of plato science was in its early infancy and religion was considered fact. So the fact his ideas had a lot of religion with his primitive science is understandable.
As for his idea he is not all out saying that god as we understand is real, he is saying that nature is mathmatical in nature with so much perfect mathmatical connections that if you look hard enough at nature you will see its inherant beauty and through this be closer to god [god being Nature and its seeming perfection.
It is a nice thought really. But dont forget his background.
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@akotlar,
Why don't we wait and see exactly what -if anything- Kennedy has found, and from that draw conclusions. So far, all we have are some Grandiose, but sketchy claims, and very lttle actual information, which should be reason for caution -if not outright scepticism- right at the outset. Mr Kennedy is trying to SELL SOMETHING.
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To a rational person "God" is merely a product of irrational behavior.
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I don't see anything else there....
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I'll praise him forever because he imprinted you with a mark to be recognized no matter behind which account you are trying to hide.
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The article is very short on detail and 3rd party reviews/opinions. The only magazines named "Apeiron" I can google up are Polish and Spanish, not US, with no mention of this work that I could see. Color me skeptical for now.
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The first programmer was a woman... know your history, know your sociology, and know your anthropology before making stupid unfounded remarks on a science news site...
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http://redshift.v...Home.htm
They sell books, too. One book has the "revolutionary" title "The Static Universe : Exploding the Myth of Cosmic Expansion", Another one is "Einstein and the Ether".
I don't like this article at all. The text is quite misleading. IMHO its been produced to draw attention to a forthcoming book to be sold in the apeiron bookstore.
Btw, apeiron has two meanings in contemporary Greek: "infinity" and "unexperienced" (cp. empeiria).
The concept of harmony was the central and most fundamental concept in ancient Greece, similar in its importance to the ancient Chinese principle of yin and yang. Harmony was not only to be achieved in music, language, geometry/mathematics, and architecture. It was of importance for war and peace, for men and gods, for life and death.
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Good work with that last post. Most people are better able to understand this concept of harmony as a "dynamic balance of forces".
Also closely tied to the Pythagoran concept of the Golden Mean.
So, we are already in possession of this wisdom of the ancients- and this is why I expect that Kennedy's revelation will consist of a mere underwhelming rehash of already familiar concepts.
"Don't believe the hype!"
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...for those of you who would rather form your own opinions.
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Regarding "TODAY" and so forth, and so on, etcetera: what's coming, it's been a looong time a-coming... This might open your eyes a bit:
http://market-tic...ard.html
Every great empire ultimately self-destructs in a paroxysm of hubris and fatuous, narcissistic egotism. It happened to Plato's Greece. It happened to the Romans. And it's about to happen all over again... I find it pitiful that, being so enlightened, we didn't last on top of the world for even a measly single century.
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Indeed I did- did you know that the G-8 and G-20 conferences were held over the weekend, with results best described as "inconclusive", and that the Deepwater Horizon well continues to gush millions of gallons of oil into the Gulf each day?
I could, with authority, say that both are the result of the ongoing implementation of policy and legislation that were activated during the Bush years. But why bother now- it seems kind of beside the point, as we now have more important fish to fry...
Ah- what the hell- do a search of "dollar refunding programme", and swim around in that for a while. It'll make your brown eyes blue, BSW, and maybe, just maybe, change the way you think about things here in the good ole usa.
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Thanks for the link. I see however that there is nothing more there than in the article except some pretty unfounded speculation. Well at least not founded in what Kennedy is claiming.
That is he has shown a musical rhythm to Plato. The article above implies that there is something else but the rest is pure, well wild assed guessing, that tells us more about Kennedy than Plato.
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Welcome if you are new. If you are Alizee with another sockpuppet, well that was a rare useful post.
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I seriously doubt that VestaR is Alizee. For one Alizee's english has improved quite a lot. For another sexist remarks are something I can't remember seeing from someone that many think might be female.
I suspect that he is the Indian that his profile makes him out to be.
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Not only was the daughter of Lord Byron the first programmer one of the first computer languages, COBOL, was begun by a woman.
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In fact the percentage of women in IT declines gradually..
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http://anitaborg....omen.pdf
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Maybe in the US. But this doesn't imply the same holds for China and other countries.
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But Kennedy reveals his own agenda in the first paragraph of this piece, i.e.
"The awe and beauty we feel in nature, Plato says, shows that it is divine; discovering the scientific order of nature is getting closer to God."
When are Christians (and others) going to stop forcing their religion on everyone? When will they accept history and peoples from other cultural and spiritual points of view instead of rubber stamping their own on them?
The Greeks had no conception of a single godhead. So stop trying to twist history into your own little idea. It's disrespectful, ignorant and enough cultures have been destroyed because of it.
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In principle, Pumamoon, I'm inclined to agree with you, but I've a feeling that Kennedy is guilty of imprecise language when refering to "God".
In the instance, it seems from the context of his remark that he means something more generic than the Judeo-Xian god.
I could be wrong in that, but I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt, until the book is available, and settles the issue.
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I've seen too much bloodshed in our planet's history.......
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@Pumamoon,
Agreed. I might have voiced a stronger opinion, myself, but decided -uncharacteristically- to "bite my tongue". I'm not entirely sure what prompted the impulse, but you may rest assured that it wasn't fear of any Divine wrath.
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movie writers do this too, it keeps you captivated.
If not, it likely doesn't get read or watched.
The full article can be found here: http://personalpa...oofs.pdf
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I take it that you would like a 1 page internet article to distill what Dr. Kennedy has spent years researching based on thousands of pages of Plato's writings? You must have skipped over this part:
"This is the beginning of something big. It will take a generation to work out the implications. All 2,000 pages contain undetected symbols."
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Most science-minded people have been saying this at least since the dawn of recorded history, it's far from a new idea. Sadly, the 'culture war' has nothing to do with God and science, it's all about a bunch of idiots who want everyone to embrace the Bible and never to question it. Getting closer to God through science is anti-Bible.
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You don't always have to agree, even with the greatest philosophers.
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Perhaps the best literary example of this concept is discovered in Lewis' "Last Battle" - that the objects we see and barely touch are mere shadows cast by their truer selves, which exist solely on some higher level of existence.
If you're going to discuss philosophy, at least know what you're discussing.
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And as for Plato's god, he was neither speaking of nature itself or of a "crotchety old man" (well put). He was speaking about a perfect Mind; the sum of all knowledge, as well as its better, which we in our humble state can only begin to comprehend most perfectly through our perception of the "form" of beauty, be it found in nature or in art.
Plato's belief was that the only way to our fallen minds to touch deity's face was through a deeper appreciation of and understanding of reality.
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Would you care to give an example of a case for the existence of a god?
I mean something besides the claim that existence is evidence of a god since as that is beyond merely weak.
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Hindu thought exerted a great influence on ancient Greek thought as M.E. Pococke shows in his 'India in Greece'.It is believed that besides Pythagoras, Appolonius, Democritus, Anaxarchus and Pyrrho also visited India. According to Lucianus, the Golden Philosophy first descended upon "the Indians, the mightiest nation upon the earth".
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To start there are 3 letters in todays Greek Alphabet that were lost. Those are the
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Numerology isn't science; it's superstition.
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Rosicrucians, Numerologists, Kabalaists, Theosophists and Platoists for that matter have all conned themselves into believing in SECRET KNOWLEDGE.
Come get it while its hot. Be sure to get in on 2012 before it's too late. Don't look behind the curtain and buy your snake oil now before the evil repressive whatever takes it away.
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